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Old 19th Dec 2017, 13:11
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That's not Norwich's problem, is it? Besides which, people join the aircraft between DTVA and Aberdeen.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 13:35
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Originally Posted by gilesdavies View Post
Just been nosey and noticed the Norwich thread thought would throw in my pennies worth of thought...

Usually airports where passengers have to part with cash for services that are free elsewhere, usually leaves a bad taste in their mouths. Exactly the same at Luton where drop off fees are now applied, and gets a 1-2 star rating in SkyTrax year upon year, with the charge being the main moaning point.

It is interesting how Regional and City Airport's the operators on Norwich are happy to charge the Developement fee there, but not at any of their other portfolio of airports, which still see regular services, like Derry, Exeter and Bournemouth. Especially when airports like Bournemouth and Exeter have similar passenger numbers.

Norwich is quite a maintenance heavy airport, and would imagine there is a fair amount of revenue from that.

I like how the Development fee is not chargeable for Business Class or the upper tier frequent flyer members. A frequent flyer could buy the cheapest ticket, but still get the fee waived!

Has there been much in the way of improvements to the airport in recent years with this 10 fee being introduced, for example improved facilities?
In a word no.

Take a look at the rust on the supports over the entrance canopy in my previous picture. The security staff are so bored they treat every passenger with the full Stasi inspection.

As a pilot I used it years ago when it was council owned and a pleasure to visit.

Flying in there in a private helicopter is a waste of time not to mention the hassle.Easier to use nearby Sprowston Manor hotel where you get a VIP service.

The same applies to private fixed wing use so a GA airport best avoided.

I think the owners see the value in maintenance traffic, although with short term contracts this can be fickle, and the opportunity to exploit the area near the new ring road for a 100 acre business park.

The passenger numbers are never going to increase much beyond where they are and indeed a substantial amount of the movements are North Sea helicopters.

It is nigh on impossible to increase the runway length and a low cost high volume operator such as Ryanair is never going to arrive to boost the traffic.

In short it is a local airport mostly supported by offshore oil workers who can afford to pay the extortionate KLM fares to AMS.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 13:53
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
In short it is a local airport mostly supported by offshore oil workers who can afford to pay the extortionate KLM fares to AMS.
I'm a bit bored of complaints about "extortionate fares to AMS." Very few KLM passengers at NWI are O&D. Most are connecting in Schiphol.

In 5 years of using the airport, I've found NWI-AMS to the USA, Asia and Russia is usually never more than 50-150 more expensive than flying from LHR. I gladly pay that to avoid the A11 and M25, or Greater Anglia and the tube.

Even with an improved runway, Norwich doesn't have the population to support FR or U2. If you want low fares, then drive to Stansted, pay to park and walk a mile and a half through the shops to catch your flight. Enough folk are patronising KLM to keep the operation viable.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 14:08
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Very well put
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 14:26
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I suspect you may be once a year holiday makers.

The Eastern Daily Press has a story today promoting a few charter flights next year.

The comments below are reaction and are typical of comments every time the airport appears in the paper.

This is all very well for Norwich Airport but what about the long suffering clients who regularly use the scheduled flights to Aberdeen, Manchester, Edinburgh that are delayed or cancelled regularly. Norwich Airport should really sort the carriers out first to make them more reliable. Right now these flights are unreliable so I'm forced to send my employees to other airports just to guarantee they make it to their destinations>
And why is the electronics for taking off/landing in fog not there. Norwich International? I don't think so!!

Many years ago I would use Norwich all the time. Then a combination of inflated parking charges and the cost of flights made it a no brainer to fly from Stanstead. Also, the drive to Stanstead is consistently 75 minutes whereas Norwich varies so much depending on the traffic and roadworks. Sometimes the drive to Norwich has been 45 minutes but it has also taken as long as 2 1/4 hours. That day I nearly missed my flight and had to take my own bags to the plane. These days people vote with their feet and rarely go back.


I don't think this is much use to someone who wants just a flight. They look like 'package holiday' flights to me , like Thompson used to be. I like to deal directly with any hotel I stay at & then book my flights to suit. I use London City Airport - 2 x Adults return to Palma de Mallorca with BA 200 using Tier points from a BA Amex card. Monarch wanted 1600 for the same journey from Norwich - obviously not interested in selling flights only. These look the same.
http://www.edp24.co.uk/business/norw...ghts-1-5325382
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 15:00
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
I suspect you may be once a year holiday makers.
We are indeed once a year holidaymakers.

But for business, in the last 18 months, between us we've clocked up 30+ flights in Y to the USA, Canada, Russia, Czech Rep., Singapore, China, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, Vietnam and Malaysia. All with KLM from NWI.

(That's why we only take one holiday a year )
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 15:35
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Well as you no doubt have gathered I live in SE Asia and in the last week have shuttled between Hong Kong,Macau,Bangkok and KL on Air Asia and Jetstar.

The most expensive flight was 2 hours 50 minutes Macau to Don Muang at 60 in a brand new Airbus. Compare that to the rip off fees from Norwich to AMS which is just 50 minutes or indeed Aberdeen.

Flying in this part of the world is a joy with clean modern airports.Even the little Savannakhet terminal in Laos is now better than Norwich.

I have not been in to EGSH for many years but follow the news enough to see nothing has changed. Memories of delays at Schipol and if there was North Sea fog no chance of arriving back in Norfolk. It is what it is. A shed with a cafe and a few local services.

It was at its best back in the early 90's when run by the council.

A lick of paint and some staff training would not go amiss.

As for KLM and their old staff and fleet to match...give me Eva,China Airlines, Singapore or Thai any day.

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Old 19th Dec 2017, 16:31
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As for KLM and their old staff and fleet to match
New Embraers at NWI (and every other UK airfield that used to get the City Hopper Fokkers) for a few months now.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 16:44
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Well least this is the most active the Norwich thread has been in a while.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 16:58
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ara...... & NickBarnes..
It does not make your defence of "facilities & service" at NWI the more credible I`m afraid with stereotype comments regarding STN either.
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 17:22
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Is this thread the first time Norwich has ever been compared to Macau?
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 18:03
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Originally Posted by southside bobby View Post
ara...... & NickBarnes..
It does not make your defence of "facilities & service" at NWI the more credible I`m afraid with stereotype comments regarding STN either.
Not a lot goes on at NWI, only time things comes up is about the development fee, or staff or the price of tickets, but many people still use the airport despite this. Would love more positive things, but definitely a new positive is the new superbreak services to various places in Europe which is great to see
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 18:04
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Is this thread the first time Norwich has ever been compared to Macau?
Most certainly is
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Old 19th Dec 2017, 21:02
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Have flown out of both NWI and STN once each in the last 12 months. Give me Norwich and I'll pay the extra 10 any day. Compact, avoids the horrendous experience of car park to airport plus check-in and security at STN, and did the job just fine. I'd give Stansted a wide berth for years to come. Regional airports have plenty of life left in them yet, I'd say.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 00:26
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Perhaps some you fans of Norwich can explain why a round trip to AMS costs 300.

It is only an hour away but twice the price of Norwich to Aberdeen.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 00:47
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You have certainly livened up what is usually a very quite Norwich forum with your consistent rants, it's quite irrelevant really and what is your fascination with Norwich I don't see you posting elsewhere!
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 01:13
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There is a big difference between rants and telling the truth.

If you read my previous posts you will see I used it a lot decades ago as both a passenger and pilot.

Over the years I have kept a house in Norfolk,in locations such as Diss and Swaffham. I travel a lot and gave up using Norwich many years ago. The drive to Heathrow is a more pleasant experience.

The airport is run down with poor facilities and surly staff.Add to that the risk it being fogged out due to no ILS on runway 09 and hours hanging around in Schipol meant like many I voted with my feet.

Despite being on another continent I read the local paper everyday which feature negative comments whenever a NWI story appears.

I see you live in Southampton which is a long way from Norwich.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 01:26
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Originally Posted by Jay Sata View Post
Perhaps some you fans of Norwich can explain why a round trip to AMS costs 300.

It is only an hour away but twice the price of Norwich to Aberdeen.
Well, quite randomly, I just selected NWI/SPL/NWI 18-25 January and the round trip fare was GBP146.38, 18-25 February then just GBP118.38 ... How much does a new Embraer cost to sell seats on it for as little as GBP59.19 including taxes?

Total priceGBP118.38 AdultFare per passenger59.00Taxes per passenger59.38Price118.38
And in case somebody hasn't told you ... Flights over seas, as opposed to over land, are invariably more expensive for a very logical reason.
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 01:33
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Indonesia is even further!
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Old 20th Dec 2017, 01:59
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Originally Posted by Harry Wayfarers View Post

And in case somebody hasn't told you ... Flights over seas, as opposed to over land, are invariably more expensive for a very logical reason.
I have been a pilot for over 36 years and have never heard that before!

Ryanair do not appear to have a problem with low fares and flying 'over seas'.

Take a look at Skytrax reviews or indeed the airports Facebook review section.
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