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Flybe Isle of Man to Heathrow
A new daily Flybe connection between the Isle of Man Heathrow has been put on sale today.
Flights are daily and start as soon as 21st April ! Operated on Dash8-Q400
https://www.flybe.com/cheap-flights/isle-of-man
Seems quite a short lead time for bookings, but perhaps they've been working on inplementing it for some time?
Flights are daily and start as soon as 21st April ! Operated on Dash8-Q400
https://www.flybe.com/cheap-flights/isle-of-man
Seems quite a short lead time for bookings, but perhaps they've been working on inplementing it for some time?
Who would've thought a few years ago that Flybe would be building a domestic network from LHR, which from the seasons change this Sunday will include EDI, ABZ, NQY, GCI and soon after IOM. Perhaps more to come once the Virgin/Stobart takeover kicks in?
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The IOM timings appear to match the current 3rd Jet Aiways frequency on BOM which they are dropping from S19 schedule.
where VS leasing these slots to Jet or have Jer sold them to raise cash?
where VS leasing these slots to Jet or have Jer sold them to raise cash?
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A new daily Flybe connection between the Isle of Man Heathrow has been put on sale today.
Flights are daily and start as soon as 21st April ! Operated on Dash8-Q400
https://www.flybe.com/cheap-flights/isle-of-man
Seems quite a short lead time for bookings, but perhaps they've been working on inplementing it for some time?
Flights are daily and start as soon as 21st April ! Operated on Dash8-Q400
https://www.flybe.com/cheap-flights/isle-of-man
Seems quite a short lead time for bookings, but perhaps they've been working on inplementing it for some time?
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Btw, I am wondering if any serivces from IOM or GCI are sacrificed for the new LHR routes? Or is there so much slack in the schedules of the IOM/GCI based aicraft that BE was able to throw in an additional rotation to LHR?
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Question is if these Cobalt (for GCI) and Jet Airways (IOM) slots will be available in winter as well? Or do new routes get preferential treatment when it comes to allocating unused slots? If not, quite surprising that BE has been able to snap up the slots for both routes, given that there will be long queue of airlines waiting for slots.
- Jet Airways is stopping 9W115/116 (DEL-LHR) from the start of the summer season, i.e. Sunday March 31.
- Business Traveller magazine says "it is believed the slots for 9W115/116 were owned by Delta/Virgin Atlantic."
- But ACL's slot trades website lists a slot transfer from Jet Airways to Delta, filed on 26 March. The actual slot swap request form is below. It seems that the slot is being transferred to Delta for a DTW (Detroit) flight... but on a 78-seater Q400
That'd be a long flight.
The slots need to be operated 80% of the time to keep them (80/20 rule).
The summer season is about 7 months (let's say 210 days) so 80% is 168 days.
They start the babysitting on 21 April because that makes approximately 189 days (90% of 210) so leaves a bit of leeway (10%) for other cancellations during the rest of the season, while also not flying with ~0% load factors for the first couple of weeks.
Other theories?
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Re FlyBe LHR - GCI service: Guernsey government is paying £825k to FlyBe to carry out a 7 month trial of the route which will operate daily. FlyBe has no GCI based aircraft anymore except the ATRs operated by BlueIslands on their own routes. The once a day return service (GCI-LHR-GCI) is to be operated in addition to current flights. Source of aircraft not yet known by me.
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Cyrano has it spot on. It is a slot sitting exercise. The question is how long this (and the similar Guernsey exercise) both last. It looks as though the IOM-MAN service is being reduced to make way for this and on GCI, the BHX-JER-GCI schedule has been fairly aggressively changed to make downtime in GCI for the LHR rotation.
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Cyrano has it spot on. It is a slot sitting exercise. The question is how long this (and the similar Guernsey exercise) both last. It looks as though the IOM-MAN service is being reduced to make way for this and on GCI, the BHX-JER-GCI schedule has been fairly aggressively changed to make downtime in GCI for the LHR rotation.
rotation a couple of weeks ago. Coincidence?
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Is 6 sectors bad ? I know that GCI-JER flight times will be shorter than the taxi at LHr and I’m aware of the paperwork etc time of such a flight.
But serious question. Was the ouch comment meant sarcastically or seriously ?
cs
But serious question. Was the ouch comment meant sarcastically or seriously ?
cs
Re Cyrano's fascinating slot swap document. .
One wonders why it's worth having all those columns if the supplementary data is rubbish - DH4s to DTW etc. Would be far more entertaining to request a summary of what's actually happening (and for the edification of industry observers, the dosh changing hands if applicable). Still, if 9W really can turn a 77W in 5 mins they'll soon be back into mega profit!
I know this example may not involve cash, but does ACL make a processing charge (like stamp duty on a house or the Avios transfer fee)? Even a small percentage of recent transactions would soon add up...
One wonders why it's worth having all those columns if the supplementary data is rubbish - DH4s to DTW etc. Would be far more entertaining to request a summary of what's actually happening (and for the edification of industry observers, the dosh changing hands if applicable). Still, if 9W really can turn a 77W in 5 mins they'll soon be back into mega profit!
I know this example may not involve cash, but does ACL make a processing charge (like stamp duty on a house or the Avios transfer fee)? Even a small percentage of recent transactions would soon add up...
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Seriously. A 6 sector day for a crew is usually a long day. Especially if disrupted on a W pattern.
Last edited by Jersey32D; 29th Mar 2019 at 08:41.
6 sectors is tough, particularly when the weather is poor, as it can be around the islands. 6 sectors will shorten the allowed duty day and coupled with bad weather could lead to crewing problems
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It was meant seriously. For reasons you obviously do not understand CS.
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My comments weren’t meant to insult.
Perhaps you guys could give some average timings for said 6 sector day. From arrival at BHX to walking back out of BHX at the end of the six sectors and then how that equates to allowable duty day ?
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Perhaps you guys could give some average timings for said 6 sector day. From arrival at BHX to walking back out of BHX at the end of the six sectors and then how that equates to allowable duty day ?
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On that journey it would be approx a 9 hour from clocking on to clocking out. From memory I think a 6 sector day starting at a reasonable hour is 11 hours max (I'm sure someone will correct me if I've made an error!)
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GCI - LHR
As has been discussed, the new GCI-LHR route will be operated by a BHX based DH8D. This aircraft will operate 6x sectors: BHX-JER-GCI-LHR-GCI-JER-BHX.
These 6x sectors will take just under 9 hours from blocks off in BHX at 12:15 to blocks on in BHX at 20:50 - (this info is for a Monday in April).
There will be 25 minutes turnarounds in GCI and JER and 1hr 35 scheduled on the ground in LHR.
Heres a typical schedule:
dep BHX 12:15
arr JER 13:25 // dep JER 13:50
arr GCI 14:15 // dep GCI 14:40
arr LHR 15:45 // dep LHR 17:20
arr GCI 18:25 // dep GCI 18:50
arr JER 19:15 // dep JER 19:40
arr BHX 20:50
As has been discussed, the new GCI-LHR route will be operated by a BHX based DH8D. This aircraft will operate 6x sectors: BHX-JER-GCI-LHR-GCI-JER-BHX.
These 6x sectors will take just under 9 hours from blocks off in BHX at 12:15 to blocks on in BHX at 20:50 - (this info is for a Monday in April).
There will be 25 minutes turnarounds in GCI and JER and 1hr 35 scheduled on the ground in LHR.
Heres a typical schedule:
dep BHX 12:15
arr JER 13:25 // dep JER 13:50
arr GCI 14:15 // dep GCI 14:40
arr LHR 15:45 // dep LHR 17:20
arr GCI 18:25 // dep GCI 18:50
arr JER 19:15 // dep JER 19:40
arr BHX 20:50