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Now you are getting in to dreamland. No UK regional operator could ever fly to Guangzhou.If anyone could challenge China Southern it would be Air Asia. Trust me I live here.China Southern already operate two flights a day from Heathrow but Guangzhou is an awful airport compared to neighbouring Hong Kong.
Read between the lines. Perhaps you didn’t on purpose.
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https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon...-flybe-2236883
Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline
Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline
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Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline
Could be great news if they get a wealthy owner prepared to invest in the airline
Actually, I don't. That's why I asked.
I've spent the last 50 years watching with interest while BEA/BA gradually extricated themselves from a large network of increasingly unviable UK domestic routes.
I'm prepare to accept that, on any sensible accounting basis, the presence of those remaining routes adds move value to the overall BA operation than their absence would. But that's not the same thing at all as saying that there are profitable in their own right.
I've spent the last 50 years watching with interest while BEA/BA gradually extricated themselves from a large network of increasingly unviable UK domestic routes.
I'm prepare to accept that, on any sensible accounting basis, the presence of those remaining routes adds move value to the overall BA operation than their absence would. But that's not the same thing at all as saying that there are profitable in their own right.
I'm prepare to accept that, on any sensible accounting basis, the presence of those remaining routes adds move value to the overall BA operation than their absence would. But that's not the same thing at all as saying that there are profitable in their own right.
2) LHR last minute fares are also higher than LGW
3) LGW remains connected to EDI/GLA as part of the BA network
4) Cost base is now relative similar
Given LGW as a stand alone operation has been forced to make each route stand on it's own merits, I would conclude that BA's remaining LGW domestics are likely profitable as BA and EZY are still competing and BA has no strategic benefit in running at a loss. Also given the revenue on the LGW routes is apparently less, LHR-GLA/EDI should be in profit so long as revene allocation to short haul on long haul connections is well managed, it was this that finally killed BFS-LHR.
And if you're British Airways and you can't make money on GLA/EDI to LHR, the core domestic in your own freaking home market,you really should just give up and go home now.
flybe are not helped in that EDI consider them a second tier carrier and so bussing is now the norm at both ends on LHR-EDI, whereas BA are more likely to get an airbridge, though my last B767 up ended up parking on 212 at Cargo.....
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And if that happened it would be bye bye Flybe from Exeter airport and Cardiff Airport as Easyjet is only interested in operating from Bristol in the South West of England and Wales.
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I may be missing something, but why on earth would easyJet want to complicate its very simple fleet by adding Q400s, E175s and E195s and a load of poor contracts to lease or finance these aircraft? The risks would surely outweigh the benefits of sitting on the sidelines, letting it go bust and then stepping in to the markets in which you saw value. The absence of any clear bidder already suggests that many others are taking the same approach.
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I may be missing something, but why on earth would easyJet want to complicate its very simple fleet by adding Q400s, E175s and E195s and a load of poor contracts to lease or finance these aircraft? The risks would surely outweigh the benefits of sitting on the sidelines, letting it go bust and then stepping in to the markets in which you saw value. The absence of any clear bidder already suggests that many others are taking the same approach.
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That's exactly my point. If you buy Flybe, you inherit the rest of the organisation that goes with it, which you're agreeing would play no part in easyJet going forward.. Why would you do that?
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I may be missing something, but why on earth would easyJet want to complicate its very simple fleet by adding Q400s, E175s and E195s and a load of poor contracts to lease or finance these aircraft? The risks would surely outweigh the benefits of sitting on the sidelines, letting it go bust and then stepping in to the markets in which you saw value. The absence of any clear bidder already suggests that many others are taking the same approach.
They would aquire a great maintenance outfit maybe they could expand the Exeter base to carry out major servicing of the easyjet fleet instead of farming the work out.
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Yeah right , Just deadleg the aircraft down to Devon into hangars that won’t take them and staffed by a workforce who have never seen a Airbus , Sounds like a plan ,
Get real.
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Exactly. What on earth would easyJet see in Flybe??? The media has no clue on this one i'm afraid. Stobart is the more likely candidate - however it depends who else out there is interested because Stobart do not have a limitless cash supply. Strangely, they have informed the media that they cannot comment when questioned on whether they are bidding. This is very different to their previous very open announcement about interest. I doubt they are as keen this time around despite the bargain basement price.
Interesting to see who finally does catch this falling knife.
Interesting to see who finally does catch this falling knife.
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I think it would be down to BA. Many have commented on the LGW/LCY slots that maybe worth the cost of the sale price even without the airline. BA then has access to a top up of Flight/Cabin crew minus the recruitment/basic training etc. I cannot see them retaining to much of the network however as many of the same routes were served in the past by BA and deemed unprofitable. The engineering business however good is limited by the size of the aircraft that the hangars can accommodate but maybe a going concern in their own right.
It has been mentioned about BA holding a 15% in FlyBe but I was of the opinion that BA surrendered this years ago, as that share could have cost monies should BE have gone under? Surely the aircrafts can be returned to the lessor? As some threaders have said lets us hope they survive for the many people who gain income from the operation particularly in and around Exeter.
It has been mentioned about BA holding a 15% in FlyBe but I was of the opinion that BA surrendered this years ago, as that share could have cost monies should BE have gone under? Surely the aircrafts can be returned to the lessor? As some threaders have said lets us hope they survive for the many people who gain income from the operation particularly in and around Exeter.
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BA sold its 15% stake in Flybe some time ago.
Any decision to buy Flybe will rest with IAG who will only be interested if it thinks Flybe can meet its target return on capital of 15%.
Any decision to buy Flybe will rest with IAG who will only be interested if it thinks Flybe can meet its target return on capital of 15%.