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"Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
I long stopped using Flybe to fly MAN-EDI. & MAN-SOU purely because using MAN T3 this summer, you didn't know whether security would take 5 minutes or two hours. Added to the hassle of drop off and pick up congestion, or the use of remote drop off makes a 40 minutes flight uncompetitive to the alternatives.
Now if part of T3 actually turned into a domestic terminal for quick and easy entry/exit it might make the "Faster than Road or Rail" more viable.
MAN is a major hub for Flybe but the set up in T3 has done it no favours IMHO.
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They needed to get a better deal at MAN for this to happen.
I long stopped using Flybe to fly MAN-EDI. & MAN-SOU purely because using MAN T3 this summer, you didn't know whether security would take 5 minutes or two hours. Added to the hassle of drop off and pick up congestion, or the use of remote drop off makes a 40 minutes flight uncompetitive to the alternatives.
I long stopped using Flybe to fly MAN-EDI. & MAN-SOU purely because using MAN T3 this summer, you didn't know whether security would take 5 minutes or two hours. Added to the hassle of drop off and pick up congestion, or the use of remote drop off makes a 40 minutes flight uncompetitive to the alternatives.
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I agree, MAN T3 is a woefully over-crowded space. I'm sure that if flyBe wanted to that they could organise fast-track security for their passengers at MAN. But they don't, even for full-fare 'all in' tickets. Fast track is available at other airports for 'all in' ticket holders. Hopefully with the MAN TP some airlines will be decanted to the new T2 and/or space made available in T1.
Terminal 1 will more than likely be a Ryanair Terminal with the addition of Flybe and Loganair, it will still feel rather crowded at times but with far fewer airlines I'm sure that the experience of using the Terminal will be much better.
Once Terminal 1 is demolished and with extra stands located on it's footprint I wouldn't be surprised if Terminal 3 is eventually expanded but that's if MAG has the available funds to do so,
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Summer 2019 timetable
Seems to be some odd Sachs for next summer. Looking at exeter.. It looks like one route is . Edin--exe then goes to Belfast then back to exeter. Then exe--edin....odd!?. Paris is twice dailey.winter only then back to once from summer starts.same for amsterdam.
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Why is that odd? Sounds a normal ‘W’ to me.
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I wonder if flyBe can actually shrink to profitability? I don't think any airline has successfully done that in history. I agree with statements that flyBe needs to concentrate on 'core' routes - what are these though? Although markets like MAN and BHX are mentioned, are they really making money flying a 76 seat jet to MXP when easyJet are on the same route and FR are flying up to twice daily to Bergamo. It might be better to serve the smaller regional airports - if you can avoid competing with yourself.
In any case flyBe have long had a problem competing with peers. They couldn't do it at Gatwick, have had a few stabs a LCY and are also at LHR. If flyBe want to improve the per-seat costs of the Q400 fleet they could install an extra 6-8 seats, but fundamentally flyBe needs to decide what kind of airline it wants to be and to stick with it. "Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
In any case flyBe have long had a problem competing with peers. They couldn't do it at Gatwick, have had a few stabs a LCY and are also at LHR. If flyBe want to improve the per-seat costs of the Q400 fleet they could install an extra 6-8 seats, but fundamentally flyBe needs to decide what kind of airline it wants to be and to stick with it. "Faster than Road or Rail" seemed a good idea and implied that although flyBe may be more expensive than other modes, flying would be quicker - maybe.
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Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
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You’re right, and the loss of Flybe would be far more damaging to the UK than Monarch. Flybe are pretty important for connectivity and by extension the economy of places like Exeter, Southampton. Someone like BMI Regional might offer core routes like MAN at high cost, but I doubt the range of destinations and frequency would ever be as good.
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Cornishsimon,
Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
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Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
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theres no no offense meant. I refer to EI lIke this. Same as I refer to Fr as Ryanscare and BE as flymaybe
EI have done good for NQY and I think there’s much more to come
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Cornishsimon,
Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
EI-BUD
Is there a need to refer to Aer Lingus in this way?
The airline has achieved more than most others, surviving the most stealth of competition from Ryanair, while sustainanly growing its network. Newquay has been well supported by the Aer Lingus brand, and has equally opened up North America from Newquay.
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You’re right, and the loss of Flybe would be far more damaging to the UK than Monarch. Flybe are pretty important for connectivity and by extension the economy of places like Exeter, Southampton. Someone like BMI Regional might offer core routes like MAN at high cost, but I doubt the range of destinations and frequency would ever be as good.
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No long haul airline will touch regional flying. It carry's way more risk and substantially higher fixed costs in support and crewing for a lot less return. Those that do still have a regional setup its run as a loss maker to get pax to the long haul hub. Most I suspect would happily get rid of it these days but the short term cost of redundancy's etc make the accountants leave it until another day.
As you state though if the lack of connectivity hits the loads for the log haul network then they might consider doing something through a separate entity. I suspect though in the UK the additional traffic from regional airports would not warrant the expense. The reason why flybe is struggling is the lack of traffic and the competition of other forms of transport. Realistically quiet a few regional airports are uneconomic and routes out of them are thin and barely cost covering. If the punters are given a choice they will save 10 quid.
As you state though if the lack of connectivity hits the loads for the log haul network then they might consider doing something through a separate entity. I suspect though in the UK the additional traffic from regional airports would not warrant the expense. The reason why flybe is struggling is the lack of traffic and the competition of other forms of transport. Realistically quiet a few regional airports are uneconomic and routes out of them are thin and barely cost covering. If the punters are given a choice they will save 10 quid.
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Strange that you should take umbrage at a derogatory term (correctly in my opinion) and then use your own derogatory phrase in your rebuttal. Many of those teenage plane spotters were not spotty and many of them progressed into the aviation industry so it ill behoves us to be so dismissive when we need all the support we can get.
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Would be interested to know their operating profit. I use Flybe every month on business and every flight is always full, predominently with business passengers.
Admittedly, very few buy anything onboard. But in my case, the price of the flight is largely immaterial. I simply need to go where I need to go and the use of car will need a hotel stayover and the train will need multiple stops / time. BHD is either Flybe or boat. In the main, the latter does not work for business travel. Hence, Flybe are the only operator on the routes I fly.
So they appear to have room to put up their prices in such instances to at least offset some areas of the business that are causing the losses. Like many others, I need Flybe to make a profit in order to provide a sustainable business which I depend on.
Admittedly, very few buy anything onboard. But in my case, the price of the flight is largely immaterial. I simply need to go where I need to go and the use of car will need a hotel stayover and the train will need multiple stops / time. BHD is either Flybe or boat. In the main, the latter does not work for business travel. Hence, Flybe are the only operator on the routes I fly.
So they appear to have room to put up their prices in such instances to at least offset some areas of the business that are causing the losses. Like many others, I need Flybe to make a profit in order to provide a sustainable business which I depend on.
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Is the dive in share price actually cause for genuine concern or is this just a reaction to events. On the surface it would make worrying reading or are they too big to fail now and someone will bail them out. Surely the core business must be basically sound.
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One area flybe seems to shy away from is charging for excess hand baggage. I regularly see passengers with up to four items unchallenged at the gate and once onboard the crew rarely offload bags to the boot. This seems madness as other loco airlines make millions at this. Maybe flybe fear losing passengers by being strict but considering many routes have zero competition why not make some profit? I have even heard of refunds being issued to those that have been charged when they get onboard to find the person next to them has a bigger bag than what they were charged for. Madness!