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I'm not sure these days what say airports actually have in a route network.
I'm sure Newcastle would love to have 3 daily returns to Bristol,Belfast,Stansted Gatwick and now Copenhagen et al...the airlines do the sums(apparently) and think Bristol to Poland ( that's a pick out of the sky BTW) makes them more money than a short haul routes with a potential of 200k passengers per year?, and that was Copenhagen as well ??
Now the common denominator is...EZY !!
Not sure what the answer is..we are all armchair CEOs. But without being parochial..this is the NE backwater!
No hope south of the region in DTV..at least Ncl is on the up again.
I'm sure Newcastle would love to have 3 daily returns to Bristol,Belfast,Stansted Gatwick and now Copenhagen et al...the airlines do the sums(apparently) and think Bristol to Poland ( that's a pick out of the sky BTW) makes them more money than a short haul routes with a potential of 200k passengers per year?, and that was Copenhagen as well ??
Now the common denominator is...EZY !!
Not sure what the answer is..we are all armchair CEOs. But without being parochial..this is the NE backwater!
No hope south of the region in DTV..at least Ncl is on the up again.
The armchair CEO comment is absolutely spot on for this forum. Whilst we all have our opinions, posters would do well to remember that airlines have a mountain of data and teams of analysts to help them in their route planning (I'm no expert but off the top of my head: demographics, historical demand, business/tourism potential, load factor, yield, trolley sales, cargo potential, length of flight, turnaround time, landing fees, government taxes, cannibalisation of existing routes, competitor presence, crewing, not to mention aircraft availability)
Hey, MME beat NCL to a flight to NWI...!
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I am sure they have very little say in the routes they operate unless they are providing some subsidy in one form or another. However airports can encourage airlines by analysing their local market demands in detail and putting forward a case for a new destination.
The armchair CEO comment is absolutely spot on for this forum. Whilst we all have our opinions, posters would do well to remember that airlines have a mountain of data and teams of analysts to help them in their route planning (I'm no expert but off the top of my head: demographics, historical demand, business/tourism potential, load factor, yield, trolley sales, cargo potential, length of flight, turnaround time, landing fees, government taxes, cannibalisation of existing routes, competitor presence, crewing, not to mention aircraft availability)
Hey, MME beat NCL to a flight to NWI...!
The armchair CEO comment is absolutely spot on for this forum. Whilst we all have our opinions, posters would do well to remember that airlines have a mountain of data and teams of analysts to help them in their route planning (I'm no expert but off the top of my head: demographics, historical demand, business/tourism potential, load factor, yield, trolley sales, cargo potential, length of flight, turnaround time, landing fees, government taxes, cannibalisation of existing routes, competitor presence, crewing, not to mention aircraft availability)
Hey, MME beat NCL to a flight to NWI...!
Given the number of airlines that have fallen by the way side due to massive losses and no cash it's a hard business so unless you have the relevant experience in running a profitable airline your comments are no more informed!
Spotters comments, no mention of aircraft regs😀
Interesting. I never really understand yield?? Ok so Newcastle Bristol is sold at 29.99. And they get 100k passengers per year. And they scrap it. So. Why not try to sell for a year at 59.99. Give it a try...I'm sure EK77WNCL amongst many others..inc.me would use it
Am I missing something? Give it a go with increased fares..surely?? These low cost carriers are so blinkered....
Am I missing something? Give it a go with increased fares..surely?? These low cost carriers are so blinkered....
If you look at some of the easyJet domestic routes like NCL/BRS and GLA/BFS, they are effectively flying now at peak times only - Monday morning, Thu/Fri/Sun night and a much reduced frequency at other times of the week. It is only on very high volume routes or those with direct competition that you will find what historically would have been considered to be a business schedule.
In effect, the easyJet aircraft is fulfilling the equivalent of the National Express bus to allow business commuters, VFR passengers, students, wedding/hen/stag parties to travel at the times they are most likely to want to. If you can make more by flying a single NCL/FAO rotation on a Thursday morning versus a NCL/BRS and a NCL/BFS roundtrip in the same time slot, then you will. Into that equation, you not only have to consider yield but the likelihood of passengers booking hold baggage and spending on board - both of which are likely to be higher on the FAO given length of flight and length of stay than the BRS + BFS rotations combined.
In effect, the easyJet aircraft is fulfilling the equivalent of the National Express bus to allow business commuters, VFR passengers, students, wedding/hen/stag parties to travel at the times they are most likely to want to. If you can make more by flying a single NCL/FAO rotation on a Thursday morning versus a NCL/BRS and a NCL/BFS roundtrip in the same time slot, then you will. Into that equation, you not only have to consider yield but the likelihood of passengers booking hold baggage and spending on board - both of which are likely to be higher on the FAO given length of flight and length of stay than the BRS + BFS rotations combined.
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The Saturday morning flight also starts a few weeks earlier than it has in previous years, this is normally on an A320 and normally rather full from my experience.
Very good news that EZY has increased frequency... Times are still a bit sh*t, but it's a good move in the right direction and I'm pleased to see it!
Very good news that EZY has increased frequency... Times are still a bit sh*t, but it's a good move in the right direction and I'm pleased to see it!
Don't know how it works..someone might offer help..is it a couple of well meaning guys in planning/ops/finance .or do they really look at the These routes.
Newcastle to Bristol merits at least 3 returns per day..just look at rail figures,probable car journeys and definitely air passengers in the past.
Yield again...just up the prices..they will still come!!!
Rocket science?? I think not...
Newcastle to Bristol merits at least 3 returns per day..just look at rail figures,probable car journeys and definitely air passengers in the past.
Yield again...just up the prices..they will still come!!!
Rocket science?? I think not...
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Prices do seem low on NCL-BRS compared to the train. The cheapest rail tickets seem to be around £120 return for a 5 hour direct journey whilst you can take the flight for under £70 return and this includes £26 APD! A short notice example for a business trip next Monday morning, returning Tuesday evening shows a flight cost of £108 but the train will cost double that and would take much longer.
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On a more relevant point, then note all the comment on where & when EZY should fly, whether one agrees or otherwise with individual comments, then the whole assessment as to what is profitable, yields etc. appear to be put forward with a somewhat parochial view as to EZY's operations.
EZY is a large EU wide operation & whilst a route may be dropped that is profitable, then one presumes that this is because it has been calculated that on aggregate over a set period, greater revenue can be obtained by that aircraft elsewhere.
The main restriction such an ideal scenario is that in such a fixed period then aircraft / crews are "based" & as such route flexibility is then limited. The result is that it is easy to identify a particular route / timing as being "profitable" but to achieve requires available aircraft capacity.
Everyone would love to see their required route leave at a peak hour, but this also is not possible.
Maybe time to give NCL - BRS a rest, after all EZY have run it in past at varying times & frequencies & it is down to their detailed route / revenue knowledge rather than that of individuals limited assessment that the route has to fit in as it does.
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