Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Flybe-9

Old 6th Mar 2020, 20:50
  #3921 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 506
Blue Islands "BOOK NOW" button directing to the Flybe page. That's not a good advert for them.
SealinkBF is online now  
Old 6th Mar 2020, 22:32
  #3922 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: EGAC
Posts: 52
Reports today of somebody sniffing around the administrators and some of the aircraft leases.

Anyone heard anthing?
Jenny Tails is offline  
Old 6th Mar 2020, 22:53
  #3923 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Northern Ireland
Posts: 58
Originally Posted by Jenny Tails View Post
Reports today of somebody sniffing around the administrators and some of the aircraft leases.

Anyone heard anthing?
I have one found this from the independent
https://www.independent.ie/business/...-39020106.html
looks like someone is interested in 18 De Hallivand Dash 8-400s
allan1987 is online now  
Old 6th Mar 2020, 23:26
  #3924 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: manchester
Posts: 26
Paying more

Originally Posted by Islandlad View Post
Are you going to let the crew who take on your flights to your little islands what you think of their skills or will you be walking across? Next time, pay more tax and a bit more for your tickets.
i would have gladly paid more; I canít understand why FlyBe management didnít price the routes properly. They had virtual monopolies on some routes, eg IOM, SOU. Poor market awareness.
slf99 is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 01:21
  #3925 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: uk
Posts: 484
Does anyone know what happened to the Heathrow slots ? Were some transferred back in November and were they just being returned having been loaned to Flybe ? Do the "remedy" slots return to IAG or have Flybe managed to operate them long enough for them to take ownership and transfer them to Virgin or other carrier?

bb
bad bear is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 06:35
  #3926 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 506
They return to BA, who have to give them up to any operator who wants to run those routes.
SealinkBF is online now  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 07:03
  #3927 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: UK
Posts: 1,214
Correct, they have to go back to BA.

The interesting question is whether or not BA would voluntarily release slots at LHR for the Newquay PSO to another operator if someone asked. I don't know that anyone will, but that would certainly be a conundrum. They certainly have no legal obligation to, so I am guessing that the answer would be "no", but it might not be a popular answer in political circles.
Flightrider is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 07:30
  #3928 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Denmark
Posts: 377
With BA operating the Newquay route on a commercial basis, albeit on an adhoc basis, does this not remove the need for a PSO?

Was Newquay Heathrow profitable? - they moved it to Gatwick in favour of Dusseldorf, which was strange, considering Germany was loss making for Flybe according to RDC.

Copenhagen is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 07:51
  #3929 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: London
Posts: 506
Originally Posted by Flightrider View Post
Correct, they have to go back to BA.

The interesting question is whether or not BA would voluntarily release slots at LHR for the Newquay PSO to another operator if someone asked. I don't know that anyone will, but that would certainly be a conundrum. They certainly have no legal obligation to, so I am guessing that the answer would be "no", but it might not be a popular answer in political circles.
They can't be used for Newquay, I believe it is ABZ, EDI, NCE and a few other destinations
SealinkBF is online now  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 07:56
  #3930 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 272
Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
They can't be used for Newquay, I believe it is ABZ, EDI, NCE and a few other destinations
Moscow and Saudi . And after three consecutive seasons can be switched another EU point.

Mischievously and cleverly they can’t ever be used for anything else or sold on !

Whilst they; could add value to an existing airline portfolio the set number of slots must be identified and used as described period stop !

The can Virgin , beebop and any other entity use them for another ninety million JFK rotations- No .
Rutan16 is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 08:17
  #3931 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 272
Personally I am now waiting for Nordic to collect their I’ll gotten gains those mortgages will transfer quickly and I expect some frames to move across the office corridors toward the Stobart arena In the next few weeks and for Stobart to be the prime beneficiaries.

IMHO it certain Stobart will move in on the Belfast City market and one of either Manchester or Birmingham and attempt to pick up those remedial slots to form a reworked Virgin Connect entity pretty soon.

Pre- pack is all over this and 15 dashes is a solid number for those two potential bases imho.

COVID-19 the super strength common cold aside a think this was the plan anyway post April and it’s just come a few weeks earlier than planned .

Conjecture I know however somethings are certainly happening with the Receivers and interested parties.

FLYBE Shareholders were screwed over months ago anyway.



Rutan16 is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 09:23
  #3932 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
Posts: 1,829
Has a former employee taken a copy of the customer database from their office before the airline's demise? I only ask as by coincidence Mrs ATN received an advertising mail in her inbox from Easyjet with whom she hasn't flown for more than 15 years. That is more than a coincidence; anyone else had the same?

If there has been a data breach, and the information commissioner found out, both EZY and the seller of the data could be in hot water.
ATNotts is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 10:20
  #3933 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Eas Anglia
Age: 61
Posts: 534
Connect.

With a dozen frames with the right fare structure (£100 ) each flight you could create a significant domestic hub at Manchester. A domestic central hub for all of the UK with interline re Virgin.

Not sure they would be interested BHX.



Navpi is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:02
  #3934 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: britain
Posts: 286
Stobart are not going to lease anything from Nordic. Why would they? There fingers have beem burnt to the tune of 50 million quid already.
Another airline expanding to take on a lot of loss making former Flybe routes at great expense is fantasy
bean is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:23
  #3935 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Cardiff
Posts: 663
Originally Posted by bean View Post
Stobart are not going to lease anything from Nordic. Why would they? There fingers have beem burnt to the tune of 50 million quid already.
Another airline expanding to take on a lot of loss making former Flybe routes at great expense is fantasy
I'm not saying that Stobart will take on Q400s, but on the flip side, Connect has access to the financial data. Not all of Flybes routes would've been unprofitable. There are many factors as to why flybe as a whole wasn't profitable.

Stobart or any of the other regional Airlines could pick up the most popular routes and make them profitable without being laden with debt and expensive lease costs, and trying to please everyman and his laptop by providing too many frequencies and destroying yields.
caaardiff is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:43
  #3936 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: britain
Posts: 286
Sure Connect had access to the fonancial data
That's why they went begging for a loan.
Connect doesn"y exist anymore
The owners are licking their wounds over a foolish investment
bean is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 13:58
  #3937 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 272
Don’t agree this was pretty much the plan .

Those aircraft meet exactly with Shobarts requirement and as we know the consortium balked at putting the funds in place .

It’s pretty standard pre pack many of those dashes were internally mortgaged back to the parent over the last few weeks so ownership may have already moved of off the Flybe books . Stobart are part of the parent company ownership structure and if the management company believed to be Nordic pick them up you want to believe they will be transferred over pretty quickly.

Interestedly its the numbers of frames involved as that is almost exactly what’s required for Belfast and one other mainland airport Edinburgh and Aberdeen - Heathrow.

Stobart had known about the imminent Collapse for some days as well.
They ensured their own assets were clear of the UK hours before closure.
Indeed the Belfast based Embrear was already heading to Dublin Before the last Flybe landed .

It’s also telling that the key Belfast routes are yet to be taken up and that the airport operators aren’t showing major distress yet .

Belfast City, Stobart, Nordic, Connect and the receivers are certainly working on a plan .

Rutan16 is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:06
  #3938 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 272
Partial collapses in business groups happen from time to time , indeed I have experienced it myself and its far from unheard of for key asset to be transferred to the parent company or other subsidiaries to take place weeks in advance of the closure.

Flybe has closed but the parent group probably hasn’t
Rutan16 is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:09
  #3939 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: britain
Posts: 286
Back to speculatoon again!!!!!
bean is offline  
Old 7th Mar 2020, 14:26
  #3940 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: London
Posts: 272
425 charges again Flybe none against a business called Virgin Connect on companies house . Connect isn’t dead !
Rutan16 is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.