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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:41
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Isnít the runway at SOU a bit tight for EZY (hence the current application to extend it)?
It is but EZY seem to accommodate take off weights on ski flights to Geneva with 186 px and a good deal of hold luggage, therefore I cannot foresee a big problem with a business trip on a domestic route with cabin luggage in the main.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:44
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Originally Posted by Scottie Dog View Post
VHF4 you really seem to have a downer on the Dash. If you're either a businessman or a commuter then you will be happy to use it to reach your destination. The A320 and B737 are great for moving larger numbers more cheaply - as per LCC - but not where a route only handles 40-50 passengers at a time. Talking of time, it's time you got realistic.
Commuted from Manchester to Exeter for three years using flybe in that time suffered numerous tech delays , a engine failure on take off Flap failure once , hydraulic failure more than once , Iíve now flown with easy for a similar time and suffered no such dramas plus you donít get deafened and shaken to bits in the process ...i
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:45
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Originally Posted by stewyb View Post
The core business/connecting routes from SOU ie Belfast, Manchester, Edinburgh, Glasgow, Paris & Jersey would be snapped up rapidly by EZY with double daily services, Dublin most likely by Air Lingus Regional and maybe KLM would come back in for Amsterdam, of that I have no doubt!
Do Easyjet, Ryanair, Loganair etc all have a fleet of aircraft, crew etc hidden away just waiting to magically appear on all these routes?.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:45
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Originally Posted by willy wombat View Post
Isnít the runway at SOU a bit tight for EZY (hence the current application to extend it)?
It is, but can handle a A319 ok as EZY operate the Geneva route during the winter ski period, it could possibly handle other LCC aircraft if pax numbers are low, SOU's other limitations are its apron area, regular Airbus/Boeing movements would I'm sure cause a few headaches on the handling front.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:49
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Commuted from Manchester to Exeter for three years using flybe in that time suffered numerous tech delays , a engine failure on take off Flap failure once , hydraulic failure more than once , I’ve now flown with easy for a similar time and suffered no such dramas plus you don’t get deafened and shaken to bits in the process .....

A few years ago took on a flybe flight to Belfast a aged relative who had been a F/E on lancs in the war and he loved the dash , just like the old days he said, a proper aeroplane , lots of noise and vibration , whatever turns you on i suppose ...I bloody hate the things
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:49
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Flybe has serious money backers, who don't see fit to put in the £10m collected from pax via ADP and that should have been paid over to the government. They have used tax payers money as cash flow. Nor do they see fit to invest the mooted £100m for the long term future or the airline. I see two scenarios:
1. They do not believe that the airline has a future and are not prepared to invest funds which they believe they will lose. Or 2 Flybe is owned by people who are prepared to try and take the tax payer for a ride. I read somewhere that any asset of value has been placed in trusts for protection, so Flybe the airline has probably no assets at all. The longer this goes on, the less good it looks for Flybe.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 17:51
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Originally Posted by manx crab View Post
Do Easyjet, Ryanair, Loganair etc all have a fleet of aircraft, crew etc hidden away just waiting to magically appear on all these routes?.
Easy answer, if the numbers stack up then yes. Annual Pax to Manchester alone is 250000!
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:01
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Originally Posted by VHF4 View Post
There great if you want a 1940,s flying experience complete with the unreliability , the noise, the vibration and the excitement of not quite knowing if the landing gear is going to collapse upon touchdown....
Pathetic. Or you could fly on a nice, "safe" 737, I suppose.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:04
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Originally Posted by TartinTon View Post
Pathetic. Or you could fly on a nice, "safe" 737, I suppose.



I would fly on a 737 anytime with no worries whatsoever . Great aircraft , almost as good as the fantastic 757





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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:34
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
It is, but can handle a A319 ok as EZY operate the Geneva route during the winter ski period, it could possibly handle other LCC aircraft if pax numbers are low, SOU's other limitations are its apron area, regular Airbus/Boeing movements would I'm sure cause a few headaches on the handling front.
Southampton is only really lined up for prop operations, A320 or similar multi daily operations would be a problem. The airport have put all there eggs in the Flybe basket.
I fear they will see the errors of there ways shortly if Flybe go under.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:34
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Originally Posted by manx crab View Post
Do Easyjet, Ryanair, Loganair etc all have a fleet of aircraft, crew etc hidden away just waiting to magically appear on all these routes?.
When AirBerlin went bust, Easyjet drasically increased their flying at Berlin - by leasing lots of extra aircraft on an ACMI basis until they were ready to operate in their own name. I doubt people really got that bothered by seeing "operated by SmartLynx Estonia" when making a booking...
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:39
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Originally Posted by sinbad73 View Post
Presumably you mean the cabin crew?
No, I'm talking flightdeck.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 18:58
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When AirBerlin went bust, Easyjet drasically increased their flying at Berlin - by leasing lots of extra aircraft on an ACMI basis
Air Berlin went bust at the end of October - might not be so easy in the summer, especially this summer...
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 19:12
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Leasing demand in east Asia might be a little lower this summer compared to last year.

Airlines in the Far East which have signed a contract for a dry lease for S20 might be quite happy to pay a reduced fee and be released from their payment obligations. Leasing company then gets maybe 30% of their fee from APAC *and* gets to re-lease their aircraft to Easyjet for the same fee as they were originally going to receive from an Asian carrier
Western pilots flying for some Asian airlines are being furloughed, so would prefer to fly on a temporary contract instead of seeing zero income from Asia

I know this doesn't solve everything by any means, but a collapse in air travel demand in APAC should mean the likes of Easyjet/Ryanair can fill any potential hole left by Flybe more easily than might be anticipated
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 19:18
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So if flybe close, what does happen to the LHR slot portfolio?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 20:31
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Skip surely thats quite obvious they return whence they came (Back in BA/IAG pool) . Remember they’ve already canned the islands that would have used leased in slots and Newquay’s headed back over the river.

Don’t think they have yet reached the minimum operating time for any grand farther rights on Edinburgh and Aberdeen.

I suppose, one can only speculate that part of the current survival plans is to at least pass that threshold so the slots actually have some value in the accounts.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 23:18
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Do Easyjet, Ryanair, Loganair etc all have a fleet of aircraft, crew etc hidden away just waiting to magically appear on all these routes?.
LM certainly have spares after stopping ABZ-SEN, NWI-MAN and EMA-BRU very recently.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 08:37
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Donít think they have yet reached the minimum operating time
And therein lies the answer to all of this.

The slots become theirs in just a few weeks - the end of this March. These are worth such a vast amount of money that I believe VS/DL will do anything to keep FlyBe going until that happens. All the stuff about APD and loans etc is just an attempt to find a way forward without using the investors own money. Would you stump up millions if you thought you could get the UK Gov to do it for you?

Flybe will be kept alive upto the 29th of March - what happens then is not guaranteed...
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 08:49
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The slots do not become Flybeís at any time. All that happens in a few weeksí time is that they have new flexibility over the destinations to which those LHR slots can be flown. They are not able to sell or lease them to any other carrier - ever.
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Old 21st Feb 2020, 10:33
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall View Post
The slots do not become Flybeís at any time. All that happens in a few weeksí time is that they have new flexibility over the destinations to which those LHR slots can be flown. They are not able to sell or lease them to any other carrier - ever.
What's the basis for your assertion? In the original EC ruling which set out the slot commitments, there is indeed a prohibition on selling the slots. That prohibition is for 6 IATA seasons (the "Utilisation Period":
During the Utilisation Period, the prospective entrant shall not be entitled to transfer, assign, sell, swap or charge in breach of the Commitments any slots obtained from IAG...
(see section 645, page 148).

I can't find any reference to limitations on use of the slots after the utilisation period has elapsed.

If I'm wrong, please could you point me to specific evidence to support your assertion that they will never be able to sell or lease the slots?
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