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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 11:48
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An endgame is an endgame. An endgame is not disaster.
Best solution from Consumer perspective is a combination of eliminated APD or reduced APD with PSO offered for most important uncommercial routes and fought for by companies in the open market.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 12:09
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A speculative article maybe but these rumours have been ongoing for too long to not have any substance. What I fail to understand is how Connect would have carried out their due diligence on BE this time last year and must have realised the ongoing capital injection required and debt management needed. It seems they are not prepared to continue the type of investment required to run a regional airline and instead are taking a begging bowl to central government for APD deferral and a £100m loan. This Iím afraid is a sticking plaster solution and one I donít believe the gov should commit too, albeit I agree with the need for continued support of regional connectivity, and it will surely only be until this loan runs out pretty quickly and we start the merry go round once again. At present the BE business model seems a mortally wounded beast and one wonders how much longer it can survive!
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 12:14
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It all seems very smoke and mirrors now with Flybe. Has the bad press had any impact on passenger numbers or future bookings I wonder?
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 12:29
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An endgame is an endgame. An endgame is not disaster.
Best solution from Consumer perspective is a combination of eliminated APD or reduced APD with PSO offered for most important uncommercial routes and fought for by companies in the open market.
What matters at the end of the day are the consumers and staff who work at flyBe, and especially those who rely on the flyBe network either for personal or business reasons. If flyBe prove to be incapable of providing a reliable and dependable service (which includes not lurching from one crisis to another), then alternative options should be sought.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 13:04
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then alternative options should be sought
Like what? Certainly trying to frame a PSO definition for BE's routes will be extremely difficult.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 14:48
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I can’t seem to find LUX from either LCY or SEN. Which airport are they introducing 3 flights in to/out of?
they are opening flights from City. On sale now on the website but not yet showing on the app. 3 x daly mon-fri.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 17:32
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So youíre seriously short of cash and you go into competition with the national carrier of Luxembourg on a route where they canít afford to lose a war. Genius.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 17:54
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https://www.cityam.com/flybes-planes...ckage-goes-on/

Will Flybe still be flying by the end of the week, especially if government funding doesnít happen this week?

It is sounding increasingly like VS would be more happy to make a short term loss than invest more money, Surely VS would have already announced significant additional investment by now if it is really serious about BE being a viable company.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 17:58
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Please try to approach the topic honestly. A plane in its teens used for short daily domestic operations has a huge number of cycles on the airframe and is nothing like a plane crossing the Atlantic once a day or making a bucket and spade trip down to the south of Spain.
You have mistakenly assumed I was referring to long haul flying. Look at how long LH ran some of their 737s for and at the age of some their current Airbus narrowbody fleet.

Anyway, as others have said, short-haul aircraft are of course designed for a high-cycle life.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 18:14
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post
https://www.cityam.com/flybes-planes...ckage-goes-on/

Will Flybe still be flying by the end of the week, especially if government funding doesn’t happen this week?

It is sounding increasingly like VS would be more happy to make a short term loss than invest more money, Surely VS would have already announced significant additional investment by now if it is really serious about BE being a viable company.
Isn't this just a straight lift of the Telegraph story? Nothing new here, and believe it or not HMRC aren't a soft-touch, so if you are looking to defer tax payments they will be "interested" in your approach to other suppliers.

Also, why all the focus on Virgin - although significant, their's is still a minority shareholding.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 18:22
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Anyway, as others have said, short-haul aircraft are of course designed for a high-cycle life.
Really? Accident: Westjet DH8D at Terrace on Jan 31st 2020, nose gear collapse on landing

If you fleet consists almost entirely and will soon be pretty much entirely Q400 you can't afford to be skimping when the plane has a propensity to do things like this.

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If you fleet consists almost entirely and will soon be pretty much entirely Q400 you can't afford to be skimping when the plane has a propensity to do things like this.
OK - put up or shut up. Instead of your repeated snide innuendo, have you any evidence?
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 18:34
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OK - put up or shut up. Instead of your repeated snide innuendo, have you any evidence?
I have asked the question. I have not made claims that maintenance has yet been sacrificed but if Flybe continues on its current trajectory I can't thank what else they can cut corners on except maintenance.
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Schoenheit: there is no beauty in your provocative postings.

You continue to infer that FlyBe is "skimping" on maintenance.

SO PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE.

Your postings are increasingly irresponsible. Are you being paid for this campaign of deceptive negativity?

Not only are FlyBe jobs at risk, but also those at many airports around the UK. At EXT, SOU and BHD in particular, FlyBe is by far the largest operator.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 18:50
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"Irresponsible" is trading recklessly by not providing the funding promised when buying in to the company and letting the bills mount up.
It is too late now for those airports to market themselves to more financially stable airlines for the coming Summer season.

A point made by another poster which I had not previously considered is even if they have not cut funding for maintenance any maintenance personnel leaving will probably not be replaced as no qualified candidate will risk their future on a company in such a precarious state.
This could have been easily solved by the wealthy investors adequately funding the company when they seized control.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 19:00
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I have asked the question. I have not made claims that maintenance has yet been sacrificed but if Flybe continues on its current trajectory I can't thank what else they can cut corners on except maintenance.
The CAA has overall responsibility for an airlines' safety regulations.

May I suggest your posts are highly irresponsible and recommend that you don't go further.

I have no brief for FlyBe, much of it's problems have been self inflicted, but innuendo about it's safety does not help and perhaps the moderators should take notice of your posts.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 19:17
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https://www.cityam.com/flybes-planes...ckage-goes-on/



Grimmer and getting grimmer it appears , time for the government to step in before its to late... Customer confidence is going off a cliff and bookings are in free fall
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 19:20
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perhaps the moderators should take notice of your posts.
As I said before I notified them when I first questioned safety on-thread.
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Old 2nd Feb 2020, 19:28
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Good. Along with my use of report button we might get a moderation guideline.
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