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If the long term aim is to develop Heathrow as a hub for VS.DL you have to start somewhere and VS/DL and possibly AF/KL will have deep pockets for that - especially where it invades territory potentially important, but not well served by a competitor (LH group) for long haul. What VS/DL will not have deep pockets for is supporting point to point traffic in the UK which historically has never turned a profit and probably never will. It will be interesting to see what fares will be charged to long haul passengers connecting from DUS over LHR - probably less than LHR originators.
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The Viscount had charisma charm beautifully tuned Darts and passengers who weren’t afraid to place their luggage where its MENT to go and that’s not in the cabin !
Air travel was still a pleasure and flying for many had a sense of adventure through the seventies .
By the way the London - RAF ST Mawgan route was maintained by the even more esoteric Herald both BMA and Byrmon for many years.
Air travel was still a pleasure and flying for many had a sense of adventure through the seventies .
By the way the London - RAF ST Mawgan route was maintained by the even more esoteric Herald both BMA and Byrmon for many years.
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Flybe crisis: we’re all going on a ‘tax’ holiday
Reality of the market
Flybe may still collapse at a certain point. A cynic might say that this has always been the plan of its new billionaire owners: let the airline go bankrupt; seize its assets and airport slots in Gatwick and Heathrow (worth millions); and avoid having to pay out pensions, redundancies and expensive aircraft leases.But even if the owners try their best to genuinely make it work, they are up against the harsh reality of a cut-throat market where profit margins are very small. Moreover, as a domestic airline, it is also being hit harder by the APD tax, as passengers are charged the short-haul duty cost (£13) twice, since they depart from two UK airports versus a single charge for those travelling abroad.
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The calls by mainstream green activists to simply let the airline collapse are shortsighted, failing to see the bigger picture. These only alienate the people working for Flybe, and do not provide a real solution.
Regional connectivity is a good thing. It is a fundamental part of the British economy. Of course it is absurd to have flights that can perfectly-well be served by train. But therein lies the rub. Due to privatisation and underinvestment, transport infrastructure in the UK is a shambles. For most people, taking the train is simply not an option.
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So I had my daughter booked on the 19.45 Lcy - Bhd last night. She was waiting in the departure lounge at 7.00pm when the departure board is suddenly changed to flight cancelled. No warning emails or text. She was of the opinion that the load was very good. She believes that about 20 were transferred to the EI flight to Dublin, but that travel expenses from Dublin to Belfast would not be covered. Remaining pax to be put up in hotels. We were still at the hotel, close to Lcy, so she decided to return to our hotel. She has been told the hotel cost will be covered. Before leaving the airport, she was re-booked onto the 8.55am flight this morning and issued with a boarding pass. It was only later that I thought of the fact that the pax on the Bhd-Lcy last night were also left in Belfast or else were re-routed at cost to Flybe.
The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.
I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.
I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
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So I had my daughter booked on the 19.45 Lcy - Bhd last night. She was waiting in the departure lounge at 7.00pm when the departure board is suddenly changed to flight cancelled. No warning emails or text. She was of the opinion that the load was very good. She believes that about 20 were transferred to the EI flight to Dublin, but that travel expenses from Dublin to Belfast would not be covered. Remaining pax to be put up in hotels. We were still at the hotel, close to Lcy, so she decided to return to our hotel. She has been told the hotel cost will be covered. Before leaving the airport, she was re-booked onto the 8.55am flight this morning and issued with a boarding pass. It was only later that I thought of the fact that the pax on the Bhd-Lcy last night were also left in Belfast or else were re-routed at cost to Flybe.
The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.
I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.
I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
Why would Flybe not pay for transport for the canx LCY-BHD pax who took the DUB flight??
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....
Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....
Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
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Why would Flybe not pay for transport for the canx LCY-BHD pax who took the DUB flight??
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....
Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....
Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
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I am reporting what my daughter took from the conversation she heard. I am not stating this is 100% correct as wrong information could have been given out.
The point of the posting was around how much this episode will cost Flybe and over the network, is that not happening far too much for it to be good for their finances?
The point of the posting was around how much this episode will cost Flybe and over the network, is that not happening far too much for it to be good for their finances?
If Flybe offered the canx pax the choice to reroute them via DUB then the airline is responsible for the onward taxi/coach to BHD
2nd scenario -
If it was the pax who suggested to Flybe that there are seats on the DUB, can we get on it...
I think then Flybe could say we will not pay for onward transport BUT the EU261 clearly states that the airline must reroute pax as quickly as possible by any means/route/airline/mode to get them to their destination promptly - So a reroute via DUB is quicker than Hotac at LCY and then a new flight the next morning...So BE still should pay the bill
Either way Flybe should be looking after its pax...
2nd scenario -
If it was the pax who suggested to Flybe that there are seats on the DUB, can we get on it...
I think then Flybe could say we will not pay for onward transport BUT the EU261 clearly states that the airline must reroute pax as quickly as possible by any means/route/airline/mode to get them to their destination promptly - So a reroute via DUB is quicker than Hotac at LCY and then a new flight the next morning...So BE still should pay the bill
Either way Flybe should be looking after its pax...
I think it very unlikely they acted in this way and it would hardly be the first time a third party has made a wrong assumption. True Blue obviously posted the story in good faith and has pointed out that he/she was highlighting the high cost to Flybe of it all but some never miss a chance to denigrate Flybe; whether they deserve it or not. I've had my problems with Flybe over the years, as I have had with a number of others, and find them no better or worse than the average UK carrier. Actually most of my Flybe delays have been on flights operated by their Stobart Air franchisee so they were not even the fault of Flybe itself.
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I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
The Flybe website is offering direct flights ABZ-SEN-ABZ under a code share with Loganair from now until 27th March 2020. I wonder why this is only available for two months. After that date the Flybe offering reverts to being non-direct.
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Blue Islands recently stopped GCI to Southend stating not sustainable. They ran it under the flybe franchise so why would flybe go alone on it
https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions
https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions
Technically SEN-GCI is already on sale this summer on the Flybe website. I use the word 'technically' as none of those flights are direct so all involve one or two stop en-route aircraft changes. Whether those plans are changing or it was just a clever use of words to make it sound as if Flybe were taking on the route in a meaningful way, we shall have to wait and see.
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Blue Islands recently stopped GCI to Southend stating not sustainable. They ran it under the flybe franchise so why would flybe go alone on it
https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions
https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions