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Old 21st Jan 2020, 06:28
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Is LHR-GCI definitely off?

Thought this had been doing well
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 07:03
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount
Is LHR-GCI definitely off?

Thought this had been doing well
Remaining S20 schedule due out today? So guess we'll find out.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 08:49
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If the long term aim is to develop Heathrow as a hub for VS.DL you have to start somewhere and VS/DL and possibly AF/KL will have deep pockets for that - especially where it invades territory potentially important, but not well served by a competitor (LH group) for long haul. What VS/DL will not have deep pockets for is supporting point to point traffic in the UK which historically has never turned a profit and probably never will. It will be interesting to see what fares will be charged to long haul passengers connecting from DUS over LHR - probably less than LHR originators.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 08:53
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Originally Posted by bmaviscount
Is LHR-GCI definitely off?

Thought this had been doing well
Yes, it has. But, it was only ever a temporary slot for Guernsey until VIR/DAL found a more lucrative route for the slot. As was explained at the time that the Guernsey service was announced.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 09:44
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
The Viscount had charisma charm beautifully tuned Darts and passengers who weren’t afraid to place their luggage where its MENT to go and that’s not in the cabin !

Air travel was still a pleasure and flying for many had a sense of adventure through the seventies .

By the way the London - RAF ST Mawgan route was maintained by the even more esoteric Herald both BMA and Byrmon for many years.
Yes... indeed... I totally agree.... I grew up with the Viscounts in the 60s and 70s... the only beast in the sky that could better them was the Vanguard. Mind you, I flew a flew times on the Blue Islands ATRs flights from Jersey to Geneva or Zurich, every time in the front row left hand side, and that was also beautiful ! Last night was on G-ECOK and it was shaking like a tumble dryer but, once again it was so nice flying in a small turboprop from Heathrow !
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 17:03
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Flybe crisis: we’re all going on a ‘tax’ holiday

Reality of the market

Flybe may still collapse at a certain point. A cynic might say that this has always been the plan of its new billionaire owners: let the airline go bankrupt; seize its assets and airport slots in Gatwick and Heathrow (worth millions); and avoid having to pay out pensions, redundancies and expensive aircraft leases.

But even if the owners try their best to genuinely make it work, they are up against the harsh reality of a cut-throat market where profit margins are very small. Moreover, as a domestic airline, it is also being hit harder by the APD tax, as passengers are charged the short-haul duty cost (£13) twice, since they depart from two UK airports versus a single charge for those travelling abroad.

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The calls by mainstream green activists to simply let the airline collapse are shortsighted, failing to see the bigger picture. These only alienate the people working for Flybe, and do not provide a real solution.

Regional connectivity is a good thing. It is a fundamental part of the British economy. Of course it is absurd to have flights that can perfectly-well be served by train. But therein lies the rub. Due to privatisation and underinvestment, transport infrastructure in the UK is a shambles. For most people, taking the train is simply not an option.
Flybe crisis: we’re all going on a ‘tax’ holiday
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 21:19
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So I had my daughter booked on the 19.45 Lcy - Bhd last night. She was waiting in the departure lounge at 7.00pm when the departure board is suddenly changed to flight cancelled. No warning emails or text. She was of the opinion that the load was very good. She believes that about 20 were transferred to the EI flight to Dublin, but that travel expenses from Dublin to Belfast would not be covered. Remaining pax to be put up in hotels. We were still at the hotel, close to Lcy, so she decided to return to our hotel. She has been told the hotel cost will be covered. Before leaving the airport, she was re-booked onto the 8.55am flight this morning and issued with a boarding pass. It was only later that I thought of the fact that the pax on the Bhd-Lcy last night were also left in Belfast or else were re-routed at cost to Flybe.

The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.

I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 21:53
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Originally Posted by True Blue
So I had my daughter booked on the 19.45 Lcy - Bhd last night. She was waiting in the departure lounge at 7.00pm when the departure board is suddenly changed to flight cancelled. No warning emails or text. She was of the opinion that the load was very good. She believes that about 20 were transferred to the EI flight to Dublin, but that travel expenses from Dublin to Belfast would not be covered. Remaining pax to be put up in hotels. We were still at the hotel, close to Lcy, so she decided to return to our hotel. She has been told the hotel cost will be covered. Before leaving the airport, she was re-booked onto the 8.55am flight this morning and issued with a boarding pass. It was only later that I thought of the fact that the pax on the Bhd-Lcy last night were also left in Belfast or else were re-routed at cost to Flybe.

The first flight this morning left Bhd about 35 minutes late, arriving a few minutes late into Lcy. Departure board is changed to flight delayed, info at 9.30am. She heard ground staff on the phone and it seems the Stobart aircraft developed an engine problem. Now they are discussing transferring pax again that were from the cancelled flight to the 10.20 departure. I think by this stage ground staff were taking a lot of flak. So pax from last night's flight were called forward for re-booking. Now staff were dealing with the pax cancelled from last night, pax from the delayed 8.55 from this morning and pax on the 10.20. She was transferred onto the 10.20, but it left about 50 minutes late.

I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
This is probably related to the Stobart E190s which they have been using (because incidentally this route is actually doing really well from what I’ve heard). The E190s are terrible and constantly have delays due to issues. One on the BHD-LCY route diverted the other week because of tech problems. So they will end up killing their decent routes through poor customer service.
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Old 21st Jan 2020, 23:04
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Flybe has released the flights for NQY-Lgw. 4 flights a day and the departures, at least, are all the same time. How did Flybe manage that?
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 00:20
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^^^
You'll need to ask Norwegian that question. I don't think Norwegian know the answer to that themselves, yet....
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 08:59
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Why would Flybe not pay for transport for the canx LCY-BHD pax who took the DUB flight??
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....

Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 10:00
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Originally Posted by rog747
Why would Flybe not pay for transport for the canx LCY-BHD pax who took the DUB flight??
Surely they have a duty of care to get you to your final ticketed destination...Just dumping you in DUB??
The Hotac cost at LCY would likely be more than a coach laid on for 20 or more to go from DUB to BHD....

Cant get my head around today's treatment of pax - When at BMA LHR we would never have acted like this we got folk home as best we could.
I don't believe this is allowed. As you say they have to get pax to where the paid to go to. It's not even the same country so can't see EU law allowing such a change without compensation/alternative arrangements to get to the final destination. It may be that pax were told to make their own way and then claim back.
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 10:13
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I am reporting what my daughter took from the conversation she heard. I am not stating this is 100% correct as wrong information could have been given out.
The point of the posting was around how much this episode will cost Flybe and over the network, is that not happening far too much for it to be good for their finances?
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 11:15
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If Flybe offered the canx pax the choice to reroute them via DUB then the airline is responsible for the onward taxi/coach to BHD

2nd scenario -
If it was the pax who suggested to Flybe that there are seats on the DUB, can we get on it...
I think then Flybe could say we will not pay for onward transport BUT the EU261 clearly states that the airline must reroute pax as quickly as possible by any means/route/airline/mode to get them to their destination promptly - So a reroute via DUB is quicker than Hotac at LCY and then a new flight the next morning...So BE still should pay the bill

Either way Flybe should be looking after its pax...
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 11:40
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Originally Posted by True Blue
So I had my daughter booked on the 19.45 Lcy - Bhd last night. She was of the opinion that the load was very good. She believes that about 20 were transferred to the EI flight to Dublin, but that travel expenses from Dublin to Belfast would not be covered.
So on the basis that one of the passenger's 'believe' something happened it is being assumed that this was actually true and as a result Flybe are being cast in a bad light.

I think it very unlikely they acted in this way and it would hardly be the first time a third party has made a wrong assumption. True Blue obviously posted the story in good faith and has pointed out that he/she was highlighting the high cost to Flybe of it all but some never miss a chance to denigrate Flybe; whether they deserve it or not. I've had my problems with Flybe over the years, as I have had with a number of others, and find them no better or worse than the average UK carrier. Actually most of my Flybe delays have been on flights operated by their Stobart Air franchisee so they were not even the fault of Flybe itself.
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 11:43
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I have no idea of the exact number cancelled from last night, but this one example will cost Flybe a fortune, probably is a good example of why they are in the position they are in.
In this case, they will probably simply forward the invoice to Stobart (which may leave Stobart a little more out of pocket when it comes to propping up their investment in Flybe financially, but anyways...)
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Old 22nd Jan 2020, 12:36
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The Flybe website is offering direct flights ABZ-SEN-ABZ under a code share with Loganair from now until 27th March 2020. I wonder why this is only available for two months. After that date the Flybe offering reverts to being non-direct.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 16:19
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Blue Islands recently stopped GCI to Southend stating not sustainable. They ran it under the flybe franchise so why would flybe go alone on it

https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 16:40
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Technically SEN-GCI is already on sale this summer on the Flybe website. I use the word 'technically' as none of those flights are direct so all involve one or two stop en-route aircraft changes. Whether those plans are changing or it was just a clever use of words to make it sound as if Flybe were taking on the route in a meaningful way, we shall have to wait and see.
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Old 23rd Jan 2020, 18:16
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Originally Posted by guern123
Blue Islands recently stopped GCI to Southend stating not sustainable. They ran it under the flybe franchise so why would flybe go alone on it

https://gov.gg/article/176053/Econom...be-discussions
It was not sustainable because as well as a daily service during the summer which was probably to much capacity, it was also operating 5 flights a week for the winter season, which as i have already stated before was a recipe for losing shed loads of money. Now we wait to see if indeed Flybe will operate a direct GCI-SEN service and at what frequency.
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