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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:13
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A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed
Wishing everyone at Flybe well. For all of the negative comments (some of them just downright stupid and ill-considered) on their social channels, I've always had good and professional service, at reasonable prices.

I do agree that the case for supporting them is somewhat different to what it was for Thomas Cook, for example.
The latter was predominantly a holiday airline.
Flybe provide connectivity for transport for business, family, medical (and probably many other) reasons to some of the remotest and most deprived parts of the UK.
Airports like BHD and SOU might aswell shut up shop without a Flybe presence.

Hopefully the Govt will see that they don't want to be associated with not trying to help to prevent the above, let alone redundancies that would result at the airline, airports and supporting businesses.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:13
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A lot of people seem to think the government will bale us out as flybe are crucial to many local economies not well served by other carriers , so fingers crossed
Until UK leaves the EU (and probably during the "Implementation period" too) it's very difficult for Government to get involved financially.

The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:25
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Strong rumours at brum easyjet are interested ....
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:28
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Until UK leaves the EU (and probably during the "Implementation period" too) it's very difficult for Government to get involved financially.

The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment.
EU membership doesn't seem to stop the Italian government bailing out Alitalia or the Germans helping Condor. I'm sure if the UK government want to or need to they could find a way to help.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:32
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PDX -

agreed, but the UK Government has much more of a tradition of adherence to international law.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:34
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
Until UK leaves the EU (and probably during the "Implementation period" too) it's very difficult for Government to get involved financially.

The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment.
What will being in administration do to ticket sales!
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:36
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If you are a British taxpayer wouldn't one want to see that the Consortium put their own money in to try to make the airline worked before coming cap in hand to the Government. They were selected ahead of another interested party, Andrew Tinkler, who already owned a significant part of the business and had a vested in interest in making the business work.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:41
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They will probably bankrupt it and reinvent, having offloaded all the stuff they don’t want for free
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:51
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Originally Posted by edi_local View Post
I should have said what is available to flybe in Thier reservation system. Often other airlines will only make higher classes available to competitors. Working in airline ticketing for the last 9 years, both for handling agents and directly for airlines, I've lost count of the times I've had to reroute somebody and when going to check a flight on a competitor who we interline with, only full fare economy class is showing as available. It's why so much pressure was put on us to find alternatives within our own network or alliance, even if that may not necessarily have been the best for the customer.
People are also assuming that the price on the ticket is what BE would pay LH. They will have reprotection agreements that will mean they need to book in certain classes when re-accommodating disrupted passengers. It doesn't mean that they will be charged the fare on the ticket as it all depends what is in the agreement.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 13:53
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Originally Posted by LGS6753 View Post
The positive news, if you can call it that, is that Administration is being talked about, rather than bankruptcy or liquidation. With Administration, the operations are likely to continue, at least for the moment.
I thought according to UK insolvency laws if an airline goes into administration they must cease operations? Or has this changed since? Was the case with Flyglobespan and Monarch.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 14:04
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If Flybe is about to get rebranded anyway, what is the point for Virgin/Flybe to keep it going as a flying concern with all the related millstones around their heads? Wouldn't it make more sense for them to take on what is useful under, say, the Stobart flag? Virgin has a functioninig brand, distribution and marketing in place, Stobart a functioning regional airline. So taking over assets rather than the whole lot might be more attractive?
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 14:05
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Originally Posted by MKY661 View Post
I thought according to UK insolvency laws if an airline goes into administration they must cease operations? Or has this changed since? Was the case with Flyglobespan and Monarch.
The government were talking about changing things but I doubt any new law has gone through yet.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:00
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If they're taking about administration they must be planning a pre-pack sale to... well I guess essentially themselves.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:02
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post
Strong rumours at brum easyjet are interested ....
Not a cat's chance in hell. Galley FM at its very best.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:23
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Originally Posted by Reversethrustset View Post
Not a cat's chance in hell. Galley FM at its very best.
Instead of coming out with a one liner, why donít you explain to Brigantee why easyJet would not be interested in BHX? At least it gives everybody some insight into why easyJet are shying away from the Midlands.

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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:41
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Originally Posted by CEJM View Post
Instead of coming out with a one liner, why donít you explain to Brigantee why easyJet would not be interested in BHX? At least it gives everybody some insight into why easyJet are shying away from the Midlands.
Jet2 are the darlings of the Mids and North
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 15:57
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Originally Posted by rog747 View Post
Jet2 are the darlings of the Mids and North
With that in mind, why does easyJet keep increasing itís Manchester base then? Still doesnít answer the question why easyJet would not open a base in BHX.

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Old 13th Jan 2020, 16:15
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Jet2 are the darlings of the Mids and North
EZY have a presence at every Jet2 base except EMA and LBA.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 16:17
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Originally Posted by 01475 View Post
If they're taking about administration they must be planning a pre-pack sale to... well I guess essentially themselves.
Exactly the route I was thinking - it seems the logical solution, unless there is a part-privatisation with the government taking a stake.

RE- EasyJet. They don't have enough aircraft to create a new base, unless they defer withdrawals of the 319's further or acquire new ones on the second hand market - which is tricky given the MAX situation especially for the summer.
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Old 13th Jan 2020, 16:43
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easy A319s leaving the fleet this year are spoken for and heading to pastures new.
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