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Old 8th Jan 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by tigertanaka View Post
Flying Club will remain (otherwise how will status work?). What is going to happen is that Virgin "points" will become a common currency across Virgin brands. I am not sure it has been confirmed that Virgin Red would be retained - the original plan was to ditch it.
Because you would build status on Virgin Red...
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 22:11
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch - does anyone have a clue what is going on with the Newquay-London PSO flights for this summer? This really is extraordinary.
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Old 8th Jan 2020, 22:38
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Albert, did you not read back a few posts before asking that?

It does indeed appear to be an extraordinarily bad piece of Customer relations/comms, but indications are that flights after 28th March may be released before the end of the week.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 00:16
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Indie reporting on NQY LHR now...

https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...74011.html?amp
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 06:50
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I think the key point in that article is about Southend.
It would seem clear that Flybe have been trying to move the route to SEN and then use LHR for another domestic.
Sadly, it's only a matter of time until SEN becomes the London terminus.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 09:00
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Are Flybe's LHR slots for the NQY service ringfenced because of the PSO nature of the route or could Flybe/Virgin use them freely for whatever purpose?
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 09:04
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Lots of things in favour of Southend except onward travel. Fine if you want to go to Liverpool Street and London but anywhere else it seems to be a pain if passengers want direct travel without heading into London first.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 10:05
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NQY are still answering questions on their FB page within the last 24hrs saying that "London" flights after 28/03 will be released before the end of this week
(read into that what you will!)
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 10:35
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How much extra time to fly NQY-SEN instead of NQY-LHR from doors closed to doors open ?
I'm guessing maybe an extra 20 mins to cover the extra distance, but perhaps offset by the longer time taxiing and waiting in a stack for LHR so perhaps not a major difference...
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 11:01
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Onward Connectivity is the main issue here

SEN is brilliant as an additional London destination. However LHR & LGW is and always has been the needed London airport ex NQY.

cornwall is a holiday destination for many. Onward connectivity is a huge issue for many


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Old 9th Jan 2020, 11:09
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
How much extra time to fly NQY-SEN instead of NQY-LHR from doors closed to doors open ?
I'm guessing maybe an extra 20 mins to cover the extra distance, but perhaps offset by the longer time taxiing and waiting in a stack for LHR so perhaps not a major difference...
Not that simple. To get to Southend, you cant just fly straight there. You'd need to fly out over the Isle of Wight and the channel then up the coast. It's quite a half-cocked routing to get across like that. It's an extra 120+ NM and probably another 15 minutes in the air.

You can end up in a hold still.. but less likely. All London traffic subject to additional controls at busy periods, not exclusively Heathrow.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 11:21
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Fair point. So how much extra time might be reasonable for a NQY-SEN flight compared to NQY-LHR from doors closed to doors open ? Granted all kinds of things come into play but publishing a schedule with all kinds of "well it depends on whether ATC are having a good day or bad day" isn't going to work :-)
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 13:21
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I'm not 100% on this, but were the NQY slots at Heathrow not BA's slots which were ring-fenced?
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 13:55
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It’s a shame that BA haven’t taken it on tbh

Split the 4 daily between lhr and LGW and go for it


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Old 9th Jan 2020, 16:08
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Originally Posted by cornishsimon View Post
Itís a shame that BA havenít taken it on tbh

Split the 4 daily between lhr and LGW and go for it


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Operating what - an A319/320? Would never work.
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 16:10
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Originally Posted by Groundloop View Post
Operating what - an A319/320? Would never work.

I donít doubt it. But who knows how it would work

vast amounts of disgruntled people with the rail network.

chuck some A319s on it and see what happens


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Old 9th Jan 2020, 16:35
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chuck some A319s on it and see what happens
Thats how successful businesses work

The current BE Dash-8 is a PSO service...
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Old 9th Jan 2020, 16:58
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I'm really struggling to understand why for a route that will feed onward connects, longer routes that have a longer lead time, Flybe wait until this stage to add flights, gives me a sense that they were evaluating options and holding out for an alternative.

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Old 9th Jan 2020, 17:44
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gives me a sense that they were evaluating options and holding out for an alternative
It does look a bit like that...you can almost imagine the conversation in Flybe/Stobart towers.....

.....lets move this route to Southend....we can use the Stobart fleet out of a Stobart Airport....we'll save a sh1tload compared to LHR ops and we can combine this with the other domestic routes we are starting

.....but the people of Cornwall will reject that having already had their route shifted from LGW on a jet (which loads of them loved) to LHR on a fast turboprop (which they were starting to love)

.....ok, so what's Plan B?

Ok, a bit of dramatic/artistic licence, but I couldn't have made it up any worse than Flybe appear to have done for real here.

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Old 9th Jan 2020, 19:15
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BA did actually operate LGW-NQY a few years back, but it didn’t last long. 2x 319’s isn’t that different to 4x DH8’s - and there is nothing stopping BA operating a PSO route.
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