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Old 17th Oct 2019, 21:45
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Any ATR vs Q400 argument needs to look at the one big thing that accountants just can't see. Disruption due to the utterly crap wet crosswind limits of the ATR. It just cant handle weather like the Q400 can. 5 years of piss poor regularity on the Island and yet again they ACCOUNTANTS) want to [wap over the q400s and the Loganair Saab (40kt limits!!) based there.

What are the ATR cross wind limits exactly?
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 22:07
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Originally Posted by RVF750 View Post
Any ATR vs Q400 argument needs to look at the one big thing that accountants just can't see. Disruption due to the utterly crap wet crosswind limits of the ATR. It just cant handle weather like the Q400 can. 5 years of piss poor regularity on the Island and yet again they ACCOUNTANTS) want to [wap over the q400s and the Loganair Saab (40kt limits!!) based there.
Actually Saab has no limits. It's max demonstrated only.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 06:49
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Accountants do not have that level of decision making power.
Why does no one on here know what accountants actually do?

This is an operational decision taken by management under advice, on which Finance will be involved, but as soon as the moans about “bean counters” begin I switch off. Flybe’s problem is one of management, not accountancy. A good CEO understands the operational benefits and restrictions and makes a decision which he or she feels will bring the maximum benefit for the best price with the right capabilities and support.

As for rebrands, again, don’t blame the consultants for ripping you off, they were given a brief, delivered on it and were paid accordingly, by management. Sometimes a re-brand can help, think Delta dropping “wavey-gravey” to unify the brand in preparation for buying NWA, or Loganair, cos they HAD to. It can signal a new purpose and direction, but again, good management needs to drive the major change that a rebrand merely supports!

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Old 18th Oct 2019, 07:56
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Originally Posted by oapilot View Post



What are the ATR cross wind limits exactly?
ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 10:14
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I wasn't suggesting that the Q400s are dogs, my point was that blaming the Q400 for all of flyBe's problems isn't realistic. A shiny new fleet of A220s, for example, won't solve a thing. You could argue that flying 150 seat jets around the UK half empty would make things a lot worse... The A220s are not exactly trouble-free at the moment either.

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ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
The ATR is better in the dry than the Q? Granted, at the Isle of Man its wet more often than it is dry! I think some people have decided they do not like the Q and all of flyBe's woes are due to it. Personally I don't think there is much between them. They both have the disadvantages associated with props, but the advantage of low fuel-burn, which is important on regional routes, especially when air passengers pay APD and train passengers do not, for example.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 14:18
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Well there you go


https://www.orcadian.co.uk/loganair-...are-agreement/
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 22:00
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why are you linking to an article from 2 years ago?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 22:16
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Check the date on the article, whitelighter. And the code share agreement was confirmed today
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 02:50
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I have been flying on the Q400 for 13 years basically since they were introduced at Flybe, granted not on a weekly basis like some commuters.

I have never had a tech cancellation or extensive delay. I am probably just very lucky but it’s like any mode of transport the more you use it the more experience you have both positive and negative. I take the train regularly to work and have more problems on that compared to my family who use it only at weekends.

The Q400 hasn’t been grounded for engine issues nor was it entirely grounded during the SAS fiasco over the gear. I think people forget that these aircraft are operating multiple sectors a day compared to some airlines with the jet - so they will be prone to more TLC.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 06:29
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Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline and Loganair, Scotland’s airline, today (17 October) announced a new co-operation agreement that offers customers the choice of a broad range of additional travel connections throughout the UK and Europe
UK Regional Airline connectivity takes off with new Flybe and Loganair agreement
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by desk_bound View Post


ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
So statistically how much more often are ATR flights cancelled/diverted when it is wet because of the 4kt disadvantage in those conditions - compared to Q400 diversions when it is dry because of the 3kt disadvantage of the Q400 in that scenario?
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 11:00
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So statistically how much more often are ATR flights cancelled/diverted when it is wet because of the 4kt disadvantage in those conditions - compared to Q400 diversions when it is dry because of the 3kt disadvantage of the Q400 in that scenario?
I've seen plenty a Stobart ATR continuing to operate into airports where Flybe Dash's have gone around or cancelled.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 11:12
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The majority of cancellations on the Isle of Man are not down to a wet runway. If the wind howls on the Isle of Man then it’s usually way out of limits. Of course there is the odd time it’s an issue but its rare.

the majority of cancellations by a mile are down to the below standard ILS. having operated there for a couple of winters if they had a cat II then there would have rarely been a divert. The ILS affects all operators regardless of type.

as for FLYBE vs stobart? Since FLYBE took over there have been a lot of tech / crewing issues plus frequency reductions especially on LPL
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 11:50
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Thanks. My question was more of a rhetoric nature as I feel that the "crosswind issue" that comes up regularly is wildly exaggerated.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 12:31
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Thanks. My question was more of a rhetoric nature as I feel that the "crosswind issue" that comes up regularly is wildly exaggerated.
Whatever the pros & cons, BE/VS are not going to be replacing 54 Q400’s anytime soon!
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 21:20
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Having read that Hop is being downsized, maybe Flybe feeding pax into the Air France network replacing Hop?
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 13:06
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Originally Posted by Buster the Bear View Post
Having read that Hop is being downsized, maybe Flybe feeding pax into the Air France network replacing Hop?
I somehow doubt that the SNPL would allow a British airline to replace a French airline on French routes.
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 16:34
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Flybe has recently installed a 737-800 Simulator at their training academy in Exeter...
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 18:02
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The Boeing B738 simulator is nothing to do with Flybe, and is owned by a private company who are renting the spare space from Flybe. They use the 738 sim to offer flight experiences and is owned and run by a former TUI pilot.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 20:30
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I have flown DUB to Southampton Every friday for the last two years and only twice it has been early and very rare ontime.

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