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Old 18th Oct 2019, 06:56
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What are the ATR cross wind limits exactly?
ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 09:14
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I wasn't suggesting that the Q400s are dogs, my point was that blaming the Q400 for all of flyBe's problems isn't realistic. A shiny new fleet of A220s, for example, won't solve a thing. You could argue that flying 150 seat jets around the UK half empty would make things a lot worse... The A220s are not exactly trouble-free at the moment either.

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ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
The ATR is better in the dry than the Q? Granted, at the Isle of Man its wet more often than it is dry! I think some people have decided they do not like the Q and all of flyBe's woes are due to it. Personally I don't think there is much between them. They both have the disadvantages associated with props, but the advantage of low fuel-burn, which is important on regional routes, especially when air passengers pay APD and train passengers do not, for example.
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 13:18
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Well there you go


https://www.orcadian.co.uk/loganair-...are-agreement/
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:00
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF View Post
why are you linking to an article from 2 years ago?
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Old 18th Oct 2019, 21:16
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Check the date on the article, whitelighter. And the code share agreement was confirmed today
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 01:50
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I have been flying on the Q400 for 13 years basically since they were introduced at Flybe, granted not on a weekly basis like some commuters.

I have never had a tech cancellation or extensive delay. I am probably just very lucky but itís like any mode of transport the more you use it the more experience you have both positive and negative. I take the train regularly to work and have more problems on that compared to my family who use it only at weekends.

The Q400 hasnít been grounded for engine issues nor was it entirely grounded during the SAS fiasco over the gear. I think people forget that these aircraft are operating multiple sectors a day compared to some airlines with the jet - so they will be prone to more TLC.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 05:29
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Flybe, Europe’s largest regional airline and Loganair, Scotland’s airline, today (17 October) announced a new co-operation agreement that offers customers the choice of a broad range of additional travel connections throughout the UK and Europe
UK Regional Airline connectivity takes off with new Flybe and Loganair agreement
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 09:50
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Originally Posted by desk_bound View Post


ATR 72-600 35 knots dry runway 28 knots wet, Q400 32 knots both .......
So statistically how much more often are ATR flights cancelled/diverted when it is wet because of the 4kt disadvantage in those conditions - compared to Q400 diversions when it is dry because of the 3kt disadvantage of the Q400 in that scenario?
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:00
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So statistically how much more often are ATR flights cancelled/diverted when it is wet because of the 4kt disadvantage in those conditions - compared to Q400 diversions when it is dry because of the 3kt disadvantage of the Q400 in that scenario?
I've seen plenty a Stobart ATR continuing to operate into airports where Flybe Dash's have gone around or cancelled.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:12
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The majority of cancellations on the Isle of Man are not down to a wet runway. If the wind howls on the Isle of Man then itís usually way out of limits. Of course there is the odd time itís an issue but its rare.

the majority of cancellations by a mile are down to the below standard ILS. having operated there for a couple of winters if they had a cat II then there would have rarely been a divert. The ILS affects all operators regardless of type.

as for FLYBE vs stobart? Since FLYBE took over there have been a lot of tech / crewing issues plus frequency reductions especially on LPL
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 10:50
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Thanks. My question was more of a rhetoric nature as I feel that the "crosswind issue" that comes up regularly is wildly exaggerated.
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Old 19th Oct 2019, 11:31
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
Thanks. My question was more of a rhetoric nature as I feel that the "crosswind issue" that comes up regularly is wildly exaggerated.
Whatever the pros & cons, BE/VS are not going to be replacing 54 Q400ís anytime soon!
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Old 21st Oct 2019, 20:20
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Having read that Hop is being downsized, maybe Flybe feeding pax into the Air France network replacing Hop?
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 15:34
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Flybe has recently installed a 737-800 Simulator at their training academy in Exeter...
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Old 22nd Oct 2019, 17:02
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The Boeing B738 simulator is nothing to do with Flybe, and is owned by a private company who are renting the spare space from Flybe. They use the 738 sim to offer flight experiences and is owned and run by a former TUI pilot.
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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 19:30
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I have flown DUB to Southampton Every friday for the last two years and only twice it has been early and very rare ontime.

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Old 23rd Oct 2019, 21:59
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Originally Posted by Bournemouthair View Post
I have flown DUB to Southampton Every friday for the last two years and only twice it has been early and very rare ontime.

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Yet still better than flying Dublin to Gatwick and commuting to your destination? Canít be that bad
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 15:19
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As part of the ongoing program of operational resilience, the business has entered into a wet lease agreement with Stobart Air for two E190 aircraft. Discussions between the Commercial Department and Crew Resource Planning have highlighted Belfast and Edinburgh as the bases best suited to the wet lease. These aircraft will operate on the heavily subscribed routes into London City providing enhancements to our corporate markets from both locations.One E190 aircraft will be based at each of those locations, operating throughout the winter schedule from 01 December 2019. This will not affect the cabin crew numbers at either base, and the planned recruitment for EDI will continue, the wet lease, along with additional crew members will support and ease the operations out of both Belfast and Edinburgh. This will also free up a number of duty days providing relief throughout the winter for Belfast and Edinburgh where we have been particularly affected by crew shortages.If you have any questions, please make contact with your Performance Manager who can help answer any questions that you might have
Email sent to crew yesterday evening
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 15:33
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Makes absolute sense.
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Old 24th Oct 2019, 16:16
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Originally Posted by ajamieson View Post
Makes absolute sense.
So Stobart are taking over IoM (2x AT7) and LCY-BHD/EDI (2x 190) for the winter.
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