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Old 16th Oct 2019, 13:55
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That's a big bet then given current climate change motivations
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 14:01
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I thought "Virgin Connect" was a rather select dating site . . .
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 14:07
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
That's a big bet then given current climate change motivations
A £2.2m gamble they may see as worth taking!
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 14:31
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Flybe have regularly reduced some services from Exeter during January in the past. There are fewer business passengers flying during that period apparently.
Oh, sure - though a risky play for a route so dependent on commuters; guess the assumption is that the train product is now so dire they'll always come back. Though my info may be out of date as the flights are still on sale
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 15:05
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What are virgin thinking of?? .Rebranding the dreadful Q400 with all its negative reputaion in virgin colours , Next time one fails , either a engine lets go or the main gear collapses as it it will inevitably happen itís no longer another flybe failure but a virgin one .

I think they have lost the plot , and itís all going to end badly
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 16:08
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I still can't get my head around what Stobart are actually getting out of this deal??
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 17:52
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Well they've stolen the Isle of Man for starters.
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 18:46
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Originally Posted by Dropoffcharge View Post
I still can't get my head around what Stobart are actually getting out of this deal??
Virgin Connect handling contract at the bigger airports? Any new aircraft leases as they have a leasing company I believe? Also if they lose the Aer Lingus regional a place to send their ATRs?
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Old 16th Oct 2019, 22:13
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Originally Posted by 22/04 View Post
That's a big bet then given current climate change motivations
If anybody seriously believes that a desire to return to the Stone Age amongst the general public actually exists much less forcing wider economic interests to take a back seat whilst we do so then they are totally disconnected from reality Iím afraid. Much lip service will be paid for sure but the appetite to take the serious action required and give up all our mod cons just doesnít exist Iím afraid. And thatís whatíll doom us as a species.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 08:22
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A few more details have filtered out largely confirming my idea that this will be an incremental changeover,

Not selling under VSC brand until S20
Internal working/procedural changes to take place over the next few months
No immediate base closures
Focus on profitable routes ( I have already inferred that means some routes closing)
No sign of the A220 !!

I would imagine that their goal is a smaller regional airline, branded in the Virgin family, with a focus on feeding VS longhaul at MAN.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 09:14
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What are virgin thinking of?? .Rebranding the dreadful Q400 with all its negative reputaion in virgin colours , Next time one fails , either a engine lets go or the main gear collapses as it it will inevitably happen it’s no longer another flybe failure but a virgin one .
What happens is; a new management come in, they look at the headline figures for the Dash, and think "Oh wow this is a great economical aircraft".

What they don't see are all the less apparent costs of maintenance and engineering required to keep it in the air, the EU261 costs when even that doesn't work, the costs in crew and transport required to cover the schedule when it has broke again, the lost revenue from passengers who would rather fly on a jet, and the costs in training due to the constant throughput of pilots because nobody sees the Dash as a long term career. A couple of years down the line by the time all this has dawned on them, the company is not performing as well as they had hoped and they are given big bonuses and shown the door.

A new management come in, they look at the headline figures for the Dash, and think "Oh wow this is a great economical aircraft"..........................
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 09:34
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A new management come in, they look at the headline figures for the Dash, and think "Oh wow this is a great economical aircraft"..........................
all those costs have to be charged to some area of the business. Are you really suggesting that when management look at reasons why their airline is loosing money hand over fist that they don't see higher than expected costs for training, ground transport, EU-261, etc? If that truly is the case then its not the aircraft that is the problem.

Considering the signifiant ownership of Stobart and their long history of ATR operations, if the Q's really are such dogs then Im sure we will see the fleet rollover with a rag-tag selection of the finest AT7's Stobart can find. Stobart love an all-over white scheme, so I expect the E-Jets and Q's to start getting an albino look shortly.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 09:54
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With 645 Q400s sold world-wide, I doubt it is a "dog" per se. It probably also has to do how it is worked and maintained...
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 10:07
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The Q400 is not a dog. Iíve flown on it about 50 times a year for the last 9 years and the significant delays Iíve had I can count on the fingers of one hand. Iíve also had two cancellations, both weather related.

why would passengers prefer a jet if that involves flying from a congested airport, with service levels of say, Easy or Ryan, and have to queue up boarding and disembarking with 180 others. Itís just a recipe for long travel days, frustration and higher costs (food, drinks and transport to bigger airport)

Give me the Dash 8 any day when I can turn up at the airport 30 mins before departure or I can be at work 30 minutes after landing.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 10:44
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Where next

A big clue on the ambitions for Virgin Connect:

www.twoflagcarriers.com
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 13:15
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Don't wish to restart the Q400 versus X debate but, as a regular Q400 pax, I flew in an ATR 42-600 yesterday and what a pleasure it was. No incessant vibration, no relentless noise, roomy and nicely finished cabin - a Jag compared to Toyota Aygo.

Some of the Q400s are looking really tatty and the DHC build quality, or lack thereof, is becoming more evident.

Interestingly, Austrian is getting rid of its Q400s to be replaced by Airbuses.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 16:40
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Originally Posted by Anodyne View Post
What happens is; a new management come in, they look at the headline figures for the Dash, and think "Oh wow this is a great economical aircraft".



A new management come in, they look at the headline figures for the Dash, and think "Oh wow this is a great economical aircraft"..........................
Don't forget new management pay X amount to a consultancy firm who come up with fantastic '' unique'' idea of a rebrand and new livery which will solve everything - once the first Q400 rolls out in red it will be the fourth different livery in the fleet after one white and 2 different purples
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 17:44
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Originally Posted by virginblue View Post
With 645 Q400s sold world-wide, I doubt it is a "dog" per se. It probably also has to do how it is worked and maintained...
Flybe engineering are a excellent outfit , however when your dealing with something as fundamentally flawed as the dash is your up against it.....Itís basically a piece of crap.
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 17:53
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Who's he trying to kid?
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Old 17th Oct 2019, 20:44
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Any ATR vs Q400 argument needs to look at the one big thing that accountants just can't see. Disruption due to the utterly crap wet crosswind limits of the ATR. It just cant handle weather like the Q400 can. 5 years of piss poor regularity on the Island and yet again they ACCOUNTANTS) want to [wap over the q400s and the Loganair Saab (40kt limits!!) based there.
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