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Old 5th Oct 2019, 06:53
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Originally Posted by jensdad
Have they decided on the new brand (or even if there is to be a new brand) yet? They seem to be dragging their heels...
I can’t remember at what event, but the Virgin CEO implied that it might not be ‘Virgin’ branded, but instead just have Virgin ‘inspired’ Service etc.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 08:26
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Originally Posted by toledoashley
I can’t remember at what event, but the Virgin CEO implied that it might not be ‘Virgin’ branded, but instead just have Virgin ‘inspired’ Service etc.
Yes I am leaning to think it will be that category... Virgin Little Red flopped afterall.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 10:11
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Connect in big letters by Virgin in small letters underneath possibly
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 10:29
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Doubt it will be called virgin connect given virgin broadband is called virgin connect. Two virgin products with the same name would make a google search confusing
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 12:00
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Flybe are to end their Manchester to Glasgow flights from 26th October, thats a surprise, I wonder if we will see Loganair pick it up?
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134
Flybe are to end their Manchester to Glasgow flights from 26th October, thats a surprise, I wonder if we will see Loganair pick it up?
Already been posted in MAN thread this morning.
Its just a planned seasonal reduction, presumably to tie back in with the VS summer routes.
No real need for it anyway with frequent rail route.
Has always been a hit and miss route.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 13:08
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Originally Posted by ETOPS
Remember FlyBe is now owned by Virgin/Delta so an initial transfer of a couple of 'frames from their large order is possible.

As for an announcement I've still got the 15th in the diary........
Flybe is owned by Connect Airways of which VS own 30% and DL own nothing. I can imagine the holders of the other 70% simply want to bring stability and a chance of realising their investment back long before thinking about wild expansion plans or the possibility of investing in a new fleet.

Whilst Connect Airways bought Flybe cheaply, they’ve already likely invested tens of millions simply to keep it going. This is a business that has failed to make money for a number of years so I imagine any thoughts about re-fleeting in the coming 3/4 years are highly unlikely.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 13:19
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Flybe

So much for Flybe/connect being used as a feeder for VS flights - I would of thought a lot of pax use this service
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 13:53
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MAN/GLA is not a popular route as the rail service is far too good and probably quicker
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 14:28
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It's not that bad a drive either using as it does the only bearable part of the M6 through the lovely Lake District with the prospect of a plesant stop at the UK's best motorway services half way up. No laptop out, belts off, let's have look at your shoes mate nonsense either.
I can imagine there being a market for it though for connecting traffic in the future.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 14:52
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
MAN/GLA is not a popular route as the rail service is far too good and probably quicker
Not sure it is that good. Lots of complaints over the summer of people having to stand all the way to/from Scotland due lack of rolling stock, trains curtailed due lack of drivers etc. Constant promises of new trains and additional carriages. If you take Trip Advisor the ratings for TPE are : Excellent 38, Very Good 33, Average 37, Poor 38 & Terrible 168. Maybe they are improving? -
I think the jury is out on whether the train is better than the plane.
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Typical train journey Stockport - Glasgow Central is c3h45 with one change.
Pretty close to the time it would take to ho Stockport by train (if very lucky) to MAN or taxi + check in mjn 1 hr before flight + 1 hour flight + travel from GLA to city centre.
Maybe not worth hassle.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 15:39
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Originally Posted by sixchannel
Typical train journey Stockport - Glasgow Central is c3h45 with one change.
Pretty close to the time it would take to ho Stockport by train (if very lucky) to MAN or taxi + check in mjn 1 hr before flight + 1 hour flight + travel from GLA to city centre.
Maybe not worth hassle.
What's the journey time by train if you want to go from the pavement outside the terminal at MAN to the pavement just outside the terminal at GLA?
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 15:43
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Originally Posted by Mr A Tis
Not sure it is that good. Lots of complaints over the summer of people having to stand all the way to/from Scotland due lack of rolling stock, trains curtailed due lack of drivers etc. Constant promises of new trains and additional carriages. If you take Trip Advisor the ratings for TPE are : Excellent 38, Very Good 33, Average 37, Poor 38 & Terrible 168. Maybe they are improving? -
I think the jury is out on whether the train is better than the plane.
I know this is now verging into Off-Topic, but TPE's new trains for the Manchester/Liverpool to Scotland via the West Coast Mainline are finally in the testing/training phase and should be introduced before Christmas. While I find the current trains quite pleasant, they are short and often crowded and the door at 1/3 and 2/3 means in the winter station stops get a bit draughty. But with TPE, Virgin and the car all being viable alternatives from quite a few stations (soon including Liverpool) it becomes less hassle to take the train versus flying.

This, I think, would take care of most of the O&D stuff. As for connections, Glasgow appears to have a fairly mixed picture with routes coming and going but a solid long haul service from Emirates along with KLM and BA. Maybe connection demand isn't there, especially when there are better alternatives to connecting in Manchester which as a connection experience leaves quite a bit to be desired.

Willingness to ditch a route is probably a good sign, given the situation they're in. If the O&D is there, I'm sure Loganair will mop it up.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
What's the journey time by train if you want to go from the pavement outside the terminal at MAN to the pavement just outside the terminal at GLA?
Lets say 2.1/2 hours.
However, I don't live on the pavement outside MAN terminal and didn't work right outside GLA Arrivals.
The important thing, for me anyway would be Point to Point Total Time of Journey.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 17:07
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My money would be on Logan taking it if they have sufficient capacity as it used to be a decent route for them before Flybe turned up. Lower capacity = higher yields (assuming reasonable timings) and the demand should be there given that it's over 3 hours on the train.
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 17:24
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Doubt it will be called virgin connect given virgin broadband is called virgin connect. Two virgin products with the same name would make a google search confusing
Lets hope they don't go down the route of Connect as the main segment of the name but on this same theme G-FBXE ATR is all white on the apron at East Mids, will this aircraft sport the new brand/scheme?

On the matter of GLA-MAN going I have been looking at the aircraft requirement (posted on the MAN thread) and I could only get to 46 aircraft required albeit one Monday in November and although that is not the greatest sample it potentiially leaves a host of aircraft not flying come winter and has any leases been terminated early or is this just to stop leaking money?

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The ATR has gone to Dublin tonight under BE flight number

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Old 5th Oct 2019, 19:16
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Originally Posted by jensdad
To be fair, the ATR's are owned by Blue Islands and Stobart. They also have Jetstream 41's and Saab 2000's if you include franchisees. Fair point about fleet complexity, though.
Thanks Jensdad,
I completely get about the franchisees fleets being completely separate but I thought I'd read on here at some point that they'd be having some of the FlybeNordic ATRs too???
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Old 5th Oct 2019, 22:13
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Originally Posted by EI-BUD
Thanks Jensdad,
I completely get about the franchisees fleets being completely separate but I thought I'd read on here at some point that they'd be having some of the FlybeNordic ATRs too???
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Ah yes, this is true. There was something about them taking some of those. Must admit, I'd forgotten about their Scandinavian venture.
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Old 6th Oct 2019, 08:53
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Originally Posted by JobsaGoodun


Flybe is owned by Connect Airways of which VS own 30% and DL own nothing. I can imagine the holders of the other 70% simply want to bring stability and a chance of realising their investment back long before thinking about wild expansion plans or the possibility of investing in a new fleet.

Whilst Connect Airways bought Flybe cheaply, they’ve already likely invested tens of millions simply to keep it going. This is a business that has failed to make money for a number of years so I imagine any thoughts about re-fleeting in the coming 3/4 years are highly unlikely.
Delta own 49% of Virgin Atlantic and Air France/KLM 31%
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