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Originally Posted by toledoashley
With COW stepping down on July 15th, I presume that is the same date as the sale?
https://www.ttgmedia.com/news/flybe-...-in-july-18150
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Originally Posted by stewyb
Does anyone know where the 11 E75's will be based come this winters schedule please? Cheers
Monday in November I found 1 x 195 operating BHX - AMS and MXP then Tuesday and Wednesday just BHX-MXP and gone by Christmas. There are at least 4 x 175's at BHX (EDI, DUS, STR CDG) but sometimes 5 based in the period before Christmas and 5 at Manchester. This seems to carry on into the New Year and then appears to be 4 at MAN and 4 at BHX - all 175's.
BHX-CDG, AMS, STR & DUS first thing and MAN - CDG, CDG, SOU & DUS first thing in February
Certainly not a definitive list but the best I could do in a short space of time.
There is some very odd scheduling with Berlin not operating on a Monday which is beyond reason and not quite so odd Milan doesn't operate on a Thursday. Then of course some BHX based aircraft operate to Doncaster from Amsterdam and Belfast. The latter resulting in a BHD-BHX inbound at 08.05 on Monday and the next one 13.55, which for what is a predominantly inbound business market seems odd to say the least and thus surrendering most of the market to easyjet. Luckily for BHX U2 do have two morning inbound flights on a Monday which should cater for the usual demand. I really hope it is work in progress.
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For those who haven't seen it, I posted the below on the CWL thread earlier.....
To add to the above there will apparently be a GVA flight on Saturdays from the start of the ski-season in Dec.
Originally Posted by Wycombe
Flybe online timetable appears to now be showing some flights from 27th Oct.....
EDI looks like 3 flights daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0920
DUB looks like 3 daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0700 (indicates a night-stopping aircraft?)
CDG daily departing at 0840 on weekdays
NCL daily departing at 1025 on weekdays (op by Eastern)
VLY looks to operate as today (op by Eastern)
BHD daily departing 1330 weekdays
ORK Tues and Thurs departing 1035
JER Mon, Weds, Fri departing at 1035
GLA nothing direct showing, neither for FAO, FCO, MUC, VCE, VRN or MXP
I may have missed a few, but I think this gives a good flavour of what can be expected.
Flybe online timetable appears to now be showing some flights from 27th Oct.....
EDI looks like 3 flights daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0920
DUB looks like 3 daily (weekdays) - first outbound at 0700 (indicates a night-stopping aircraft?)
CDG daily departing at 0840 on weekdays
NCL daily departing at 1025 on weekdays (op by Eastern)
VLY looks to operate as today (op by Eastern)
BHD daily departing 1330 weekdays
ORK Tues and Thurs departing 1035
JER Mon, Weds, Fri departing at 1035
GLA nothing direct showing, neither for FAO, FCO, MUC, VCE, VRN or MXP
I may have missed a few, but I think this gives a good flavour of what can be expected.
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If that's all the cuts announced it looks like good news unless you are at Doncaster or were flying the 195. What leaves me wondering though is why was the airline loosing so much money that it was almost given away and this year offers a very similar timetable with some increases and only a few sunshine route gone? Which routes were massively loosing money last year that were dragging the whole airline down have been cut?
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If just a small number of routes were responsible for the bulk of the financial losses it would be easy to drop them - and I imagine that this would have been done already
I suspect instead that many many routes each lose a modest amount of money which combined gives a large financial loss. Furthermore the revenue on each route likely more than covers the direct operating cost (fuel, navigation, airport fees and taxes) making it financially better to operate than leave the aircraft on the ground - but doesn't cover the cost of things like aircraft leases and maintenance, marketing, head office, etc.
It is much harder to turn around an airline whose whole structure is loss making and which has relatively few obvious targets. The new management will undoubtedly find some things they consider surprising but they will have plenty of hard work to reshape Flybe into a profitable company
I suspect instead that many many routes each lose a modest amount of money which combined gives a large financial loss. Furthermore the revenue on each route likely more than covers the direct operating cost (fuel, navigation, airport fees and taxes) making it financially better to operate than leave the aircraft on the ground - but doesn't cover the cost of things like aircraft leases and maintenance, marketing, head office, etc.
It is much harder to turn around an airline whose whole structure is loss making and which has relatively few obvious targets. The new management will undoubtedly find some things they consider surprising but they will have plenty of hard work to reshape Flybe into a profitable company
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
If just a small number of routes were responsible for the bulk of the financial losses it would be easy to drop them - and I imagine that this would have been done already
I suspect instead that many many routes each lose a modest amount of money which combined gives a large financial loss. Furthermore the revenue on each route likely more than covers the direct operating cost (fuel, navigation, airport fees and taxes) making it financially better to operate than leave the aircraft on the ground - but doesn't cover the cost of things like aircraft leases and maintenance, marketing, head office, etc.
It is much harder to turn around an airline whose whole structure is loss making and which has relatively few obvious targets. The new management will undoubtedly find some things they consider surprising but they will have plenty of hard work to reshape Flybe into a profitable company
I suspect instead that many many routes each lose a modest amount of money which combined gives a large financial loss. Furthermore the revenue on each route likely more than covers the direct operating cost (fuel, navigation, airport fees and taxes) making it financially better to operate than leave the aircraft on the ground - but doesn't cover the cost of things like aircraft leases and maintenance, marketing, head office, etc.
It is much harder to turn around an airline whose whole structure is loss making and which has relatively few obvious targets. The new management will undoubtedly find some things they consider surprising but they will have plenty of hard work to reshape Flybe into a profitable company
Perhaps the new owners would regard existing Flybe senior management with a level of suspicion - quite reasonable given the financial mess - and want to ensure that the CEO is someone who the new owners know and trust ?
Flybe is in a bad way - and major changes to reshape the airline will be coming which needs someone with strong experience from a profitable aviation company and also to be seen as capable of being ruthless against an entrenched old guard. Putting fear of job losses into the hearts of existing staff may encourage people to raise their game a little
My guess is that some of the existing board of directors or senior management at Flybe may be shown the door fairly soon as part of a general shake-up - I think Saad did a clear-out shortly after he joined
Flybe is in a bad way - and major changes to reshape the airline will be coming which needs someone with strong experience from a profitable aviation company and also to be seen as capable of being ruthless against an entrenched old guard. Putting fear of job losses into the hearts of existing staff may encourage people to raise their game a little
My guess is that some of the existing board of directors or senior management at Flybe may be shown the door fairly soon as part of a general shake-up - I think Saad did a clear-out shortly after he joined
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Perhaps the new owners would regard existing Flybe senior management with a level of suspicion - quite reasonable given the financial mess - and want to ensure that the CEO is someone who the new owners know and trust ?
Flybe is in a bad way - and major changes to reshape the airline will be coming which needs someone with strong experience from a profitable aviation company and also to be seen as capable of being ruthless against an entrenched old guard. Putting fear of job losses into the hearts of existing staff may encourage people to raise their game a little
My guess is that some of the existing board of directors or senior management at Flybe may be shown the door fairly soon as part of a general shake-up - I think Saad did a clear-out shortly after he joined
Flybe is in a bad way - and major changes to reshape the airline will be coming which needs someone with strong experience from a profitable aviation company and also to be seen as capable of being ruthless against an entrenched old guard. Putting fear of job losses into the hearts of existing staff may encourage people to raise their game a little
My guess is that some of the existing board of directors or senior management at Flybe may be shown the door fairly soon as part of a general shake-up - I think Saad did a clear-out shortly after he joined
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It’s the other way round. SAS are exercising a clause in the contract, that the contract can be terminated when a change of ownership occurs.
I suspect Connect Air would also have gone the same way, if SAS hadn’t.
I suspect Connect Air would also have gone the same way, if SAS hadn’t.
