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Old 6th Apr 2019, 09:43
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When Virgin took over they stated to the effect that they would be focussing on long haul feed.
I am not really buying that. Flybe has 70+ or so aircraft. Virgin has its long-haul base at LHR and LGW. It is virtually impossible to shift any decent number of airframes to routes that would feed those hubs simply because there are no slots available at any of those airports that would allow a decent hub-and-spoke operation with suitably timed slots. So unless Virgin massively beefs up its small Manchester longhaul operation and adds more Flybe routes to MAN, how can they repurpose Flybe to a longhaul feeder?
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 09:54
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Manchester Virgin is the same size as Gatwick with 6 aircraft this summer

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Old 6th Apr 2019, 11:06
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Originally Posted by Brigantee View Post
The big bad wolf has stated yesterdy he is going to base extra aircraft at the airports Flybe are deserting and ones where the E Jets are being withdrawn from as he thinks correctly that pasengers are not going to happy having to fly on archaic slow old prop jobs when in the past they have flown on the jets

Who is the big bad wolf?
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 11:11
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DUS

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Isn't DUS served from the DUS base? Which, unless I missed something, is still around and has somewhat surprisingly survived the cull.

To be honest, I think DUS is in slightly another league than the other destinations mentioned as it has been around for ages and is served up to 4 times daily. Passenger numbers on BHX-DUS in total are, if I remember correctly, higher to or almost as high as to Frankfurt and Munich as hub airports. The only reason to pull it that I can see would be that yields have deteriorated massively as a result of Eurowings now deploying large Airbus jets on the route (for the lack of smaller 100 seaters)
You are correct to single this route out due to the historical business connections and as far as I know nothing has changed. Also worth noting of course this can be serviced adequately by the Dash 8 and if profitable should survive.

However for many years it has been 4 a day and worked from the BHX base albeit there has been a night-stopping DUS aircraft until recently. However this summer and after the Connect Airways takeover the DUS night-stop early morning BHX inbound was moved to Manchester leaving it a three a day which has never happened on this route in the past but actually this flight had tailed off in respect of the inbound morning passengers and switching it to MAN is probably worth a go.

For clarity the majority of the frequencies on BHX-DUS have always been operated from the BHX base and this is the same now although this is only two services to one (last evening inbound retuns to DUS).

I think it is just reality setting in with those at BHX and we are not deluded like watchers at other airports where cuts and reductions are blamed on others rather than possible issues with the local market. We would like to think that the problem is wholly with the Flybe management but I suppose we will just have to wait to see what their plans are for BHX.

I would hazard a guess that most the European routes are marginal (reply to Crewmeal) at best using the Flybe model bar DUS/CDG but the domestics going by the fares charged should be profitable as 99% of them are operated by the Dash 8. If they are not profitable what the heck are they doing operating BHX -EDI-GLA and BHD at 7 daily in the week, even the most frequent business traveller could mange on 5 or 6 a day.

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Old 6th Apr 2019, 16:18
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I have nothing against the DHC-8, but if I have a choice between a Flybe Dash 8 and an Eurowings A319/A320 I'll almost always opt for the latter.
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 16:28
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Originally Posted by Doc Q View Post
demise of a great airline, I can’t see how they now dig themselves out this hole , Th amount of negative propaganda now out there on social media is going to destroy the brand.
It was never a great airline and its brand has been a byword for unreliability and poor service for the best part of a decade. Also, customer experience on social media is not “negative propaganda,” it is real life!

But it’s correct to say that the current management has trashed whatever limited prospects the airline had in its current form. I hope the reshaping under new owners is more successful 👍🏻
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Old 6th Apr 2019, 20:28
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Also, customer experience on social media is not “negative propaganda,” it is real life!
Of course there are bad experiences, but it's also human nature to publicise when something goes wrong rather than when it goes right.

As an example, I've taken 8 return journeys with BEE over the last year and no problems at all. In fact, good service from the crews, as usual. But I haven't posted on any of their social media outlets to say so.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 06:07
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All carriers have bad press. You only have to look at Ryanair to see the amout of negative comments there are on various sites, but folk still come back for more. Flybe is going through a difficult time with its future and the amount of cancellations the other day only magnify the problem. Like everything else in the world it is yesterday's news and those cancellations will soon be forgotton unless your an armchair pruner making it drag on for months!
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 12:53
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Originally Posted by crewmeal View Post
All carriers have bad press. You only have to look at Ryanair to see the amout of negative comments there are on various sites, but folk still come back for more. Flybe is going through a difficult time with its future and the amount of cancellations the other day only magnify the problem. Like everything else in the world it is yesterday's news and those cancellations will soon be forgotton unless your an armchair pruner making it drag on for months!
Am I wrong, or were last weeks cancellations not that much worse than has happened on previous "bad days"? Clearly it's never good to mess around passengers at short notice, but as in all modes of public transport occasionally "sh1t happens".

What has been perhaps overlooked, and not reported is just how much notice BE has given of the closure of the bases, and the dropping of routes that are coming down the tracks at the start of the winter season. There is more than one large LCC that would have knocked services on the head a month's notice, rather than carrying on for 6 months - good on FlyBe for that.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 13:23
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ATNotts I don’t think u meant to, but u just hit the nail on the head when it comes to the fundamental Flybe problem. BAD management.

Who announces bad news with so much notice?? It leaves customers confused and fills the media with negative news stories that you (the airline) are no longer in control of. Plus don’t forget it damages Sales out of the very base you are Downsizing/closing for that notice period given!
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 13:38
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Originally Posted by ATNotts View Post
Am I wrong, or were last weeks cancellations not that much worse than has happened on previous "bad days"? Clearly it's never good to mess around passengers at short notice, but as in all modes of public transport occasionally "sh1t happens".

What has been perhaps overlooked, and not reported is just how much notice BE has given of the closure of the bases, and the dropping of routes that are coming down the tracks at the start of the winter season. There is more than one large LCC that would have knocked services on the head a month's notice, rather than carrying on for 6 months - good on FlyBe for that.
As the 2 bases that are being closed are Operation Blackbird bases I'd imagine that there was some sort of clause in the contracts as it would've been obvious once they released the winter schedule that they were closing and it could've opened up Flybe to possible legal action if they hadn't notified the airports.
What it does do is give the effected airports time to speak to other airlines to potentially get the lost routes back and attract new airlines to base and if Flybe do intend to carry on flying into those airports to negotiate new charges for landing and handling and such.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 14:39
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According to a post on SOU thread TUI have pulled out of using Flybe at SOU for their summer 2019 programme. Does this mean Flybe are stopping their SOU summerERJ-195 service sooner than expected?

According to the post, only Mahon continuing on a Q400
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 14:40
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With the long notice period given to crews they will soon start to jump ship which could lead to crew shortages throughout the summer.
It's also been mentioned that crew in general are unhappy and looking elsewhere, that's going to put pressure on the operation as a whole, not just those bases that are closing.
Could be an interesting summer.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 15:41
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Flybe will only add to what are always interesting in aviation...Summers
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 16:06
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Originally Posted by Sharklet_321 View Post
According to a post on SOU thread TUI have pulled out of using Flybe at SOU for their summer 2019 programme. Does this mean Flybe are stopping their SOU summerERJ-195 service sooner than expected?

According to the post, only Mahon continuing on a Q400
If you read the post , its additional capacity that TUI were using on Flybe scheduled routes , they have been doing it for a few years now

Flybe finish the EMB 195 aircraft finally on the 26 th Oct as per the summer schedule

Mahon on a Flybe DHC 8 is a stand-alone charter flight operated on behalf of TUI and is the second year of operating
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 16:45
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One would have to assume that with the winter schedule nowhere in sight there's more cuts to come in the coming weeks. That'll sort out any internal crewing issues.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 21:00
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Crews will always be jumping ship from Flybe just as they do from Eastern and Loganair. They get 3 types of crew - Fresh new starters looking to build hours before they jump ship / Pilots who want to sleep in their own beds at night / Older pilots who still want to fly but are looking to wind down at the end of their careers but be based locally to where they live. There ain't many career pilots in regional flying in comparison to the flags.
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 21:05
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They are still recruiting at present however new starts are being placed in hold pools until they decide what is happening with current crews and bases. Leads to think that even management aren’t sure what’s going on
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Old 7th Apr 2019, 23:08
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I`m sure that when Connect get to grips when the EU confirms it is all OK the old management will soon know
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Old 8th Apr 2019, 05:18
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there seems to be a few cancellations today again
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