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When Virgin took over they stated to the effect that they would be focussing on long haul feed. To that end CWL and DSA do not fit the mould. However that does not mean the two bases are not viable, the load factors are very good and along side the subsidies I find it hard to believe the bases are not profitable.
So far in the new connect airways what have Stobart added or indeed gained from this arangement?
I wonder if we’ll see Stobart take the surplus E175s and deploy as they see fit.. now I wonder where they could go....
One thing is for certain, this is a massive farce/stitch up and I feel sorry for all staff on the ground who haven’t had the luxury of feathering their own nest like certain management.
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When Virgin took over they stated to the effect that they would be focussing on long haul feed.
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The big bad wolf has stated yesterdy he is going to base extra aircraft at the airports Flybe are deserting and ones where the E Jets are being withdrawn from as he thinks correctly that pasengers are not going to happy having to fly on archaic slow old prop jobs when in the past they have flown on the jets
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Isn't DUS served from the DUS base? Which, unless I missed something, is still around and has somewhat surprisingly survived the cull.
To be honest, I think DUS is in slightly another league than the other destinations mentioned as it has been around for ages and is served up to 4 times daily. Passenger numbers on BHX-DUS in total are, if I remember correctly, higher to or almost as high as to Frankfurt and Munich as hub airports. The only reason to pull it that I can see would be that yields have deteriorated massively as a result of Eurowings now deploying large Airbus jets on the route (for the lack of smaller 100 seaters)
To be honest, I think DUS is in slightly another league than the other destinations mentioned as it has been around for ages and is served up to 4 times daily. Passenger numbers on BHX-DUS in total are, if I remember correctly, higher to or almost as high as to Frankfurt and Munich as hub airports. The only reason to pull it that I can see would be that yields have deteriorated massively as a result of Eurowings now deploying large Airbus jets on the route (for the lack of smaller 100 seaters)
However for many years it has been 4 a day and worked from the BHX base albeit there has been a night-stopping DUS aircraft until recently. However this summer and after the Connect Airways takeover the DUS night-stop early morning BHX inbound was moved to Manchester leaving it a three a day which has never happened on this route in the past but actually this flight had tailed off in respect of the inbound morning passengers and switching it to MAN is probably worth a go.
For clarity the majority of the frequencies on BHX-DUS have always been operated from the BHX base and this is the same now although this is only two services to one (last evening inbound retuns to DUS).
I think it is just reality setting in with those at BHX and we are not deluded like watchers at other airports where cuts and reductions are blamed on others rather than possible issues with the local market. We would like to think that the problem is wholly with the Flybe management but I suppose we will just have to wait to see what their plans are for BHX.
I would hazard a guess that most the European routes are marginal (reply to Crewmeal) at best using the Flybe model bar DUS/CDG but the domestics going by the fares charged should be profitable as 99% of them are operated by the Dash 8. If they are not profitable what the heck are they doing operating BHX -EDI-GLA and BHD at 7 daily in the week, even the most frequent business traveller could mange on 5 or 6 a day.
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But it’s correct to say that the current management has trashed whatever limited prospects the airline had in its current form. I hope the reshaping under new owners is more successful 👍🏻
Also, customer experience on social media is not “negative propaganda,” it is real life!
As an example, I've taken 8 return journeys with BEE over the last year and no problems at all. In fact, good service from the crews, as usual. But I haven't posted on any of their social media outlets to say so.
All carriers have bad press. You only have to look at Ryanair to see the amout of negative comments there are on various sites, but folk still come back for more. Flybe is going through a difficult time with its future and the amount of cancellations the other day only magnify the problem. Like everything else in the world it is yesterday's news and those cancellations will soon be forgotton unless your an armchair pruner making it drag on for months!
All carriers have bad press. You only have to look at Ryanair to see the amout of negative comments there are on various sites, but folk still come back for more. Flybe is going through a difficult time with its future and the amount of cancellations the other day only magnify the problem. Like everything else in the world it is yesterday's news and those cancellations will soon be forgotton unless your an armchair pruner making it drag on for months!
What has been perhaps overlooked, and not reported is just how much notice BE has given of the closure of the bases, and the dropping of routes that are coming down the tracks at the start of the winter season. There is more than one large LCC that would have knocked services on the head a month's notice, rather than carrying on for 6 months - good on FlyBe for that.
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ATNotts I don’t think u meant to, but u just hit the nail on the head when it comes to the fundamental Flybe problem. BAD management.
Who announces bad news with so much notice?? It leaves customers confused and fills the media with negative news stories that you (the airline) are no longer in control of. Plus don’t forget it damages Sales out of the very base you are Downsizing/closing for that notice period given!
Who announces bad news with so much notice?? It leaves customers confused and fills the media with negative news stories that you (the airline) are no longer in control of. Plus don’t forget it damages Sales out of the very base you are Downsizing/closing for that notice period given!
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Am I wrong, or were last weeks cancellations not that much worse than has happened on previous "bad days"? Clearly it's never good to mess around passengers at short notice, but as in all modes of public transport occasionally "sh1t happens".
What has been perhaps overlooked, and not reported is just how much notice BE has given of the closure of the bases, and the dropping of routes that are coming down the tracks at the start of the winter season. There is more than one large LCC that would have knocked services on the head a month's notice, rather than carrying on for 6 months - good on FlyBe for that.
What has been perhaps overlooked, and not reported is just how much notice BE has given of the closure of the bases, and the dropping of routes that are coming down the tracks at the start of the winter season. There is more than one large LCC that would have knocked services on the head a month's notice, rather than carrying on for 6 months - good on FlyBe for that.
What it does do is give the effected airports time to speak to other airlines to potentially get the lost routes back and attract new airlines to base and if Flybe do intend to carry on flying into those airports to negotiate new charges for landing and handling and such.
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According to a post on SOU thread TUI have pulled out of using Flybe at SOU for their summer 2019 programme. Does this mean Flybe are stopping their SOU summerERJ-195 service sooner than expected?
According to the post, only Mahon continuing on a Q400
According to the post, only Mahon continuing on a Q400
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With the long notice period given to crews they will soon start to jump ship which could lead to crew shortages throughout the summer.
It's also been mentioned that crew in general are unhappy and looking elsewhere, that's going to put pressure on the operation as a whole, not just those bases that are closing.
Could be an interesting summer.
It's also been mentioned that crew in general are unhappy and looking elsewhere, that's going to put pressure on the operation as a whole, not just those bases that are closing.
Could be an interesting summer.
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Flybe finish the EMB 195 aircraft finally on the 26 th Oct as per the summer schedule
Mahon on a Flybe DHC 8 is a stand-alone charter flight operated on behalf of TUI and is the second year of operating
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Crews will always be jumping ship from Flybe just as they do from Eastern and Loganair. They get 3 types of crew - Fresh new starters looking to build hours before they jump ship / Pilots who want to sleep in their own beds at night / Older pilots who still want to fly but are looking to wind down at the end of their careers but be based locally to where they live. There ain't many career pilots in regional flying in comparison to the flags.
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They are still recruiting at present however new starts are being placed in hold pools until they decide what is happening with current crews and bases. Leads to think that even management aren’t sure what’s going on
