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Condescending, yes. However, cabin crew at Ryanair is never going to be something more than a thing to do for a few years. Seeing the outside of an airport terminal while turning a plane round doesn't count much in my opinion as an opportunity for travel when you can't easily visit the place.
Yes, cabin crew has a serious side, but the T&Cs of employment are mediocre at best. Anyone working as FR cabin crew should be thinking of the next thing to do so as to ensure they get the most out of their life
Yes, cabin crew has a serious side, but the T&Cs of employment are mediocre at best. Anyone working as FR cabin crew should be thinking of the next thing to do so as to ensure they get the most out of their life
Condescending, yes. However, cabin crew at Ryanair is never going to be something more than a thing to do for a few years. Seeing the outside of an airport terminal while turning a plane round doesn't count much in my opinion as an opportunity for travel when you can't easily visit the place.
Sleep on fellow colleagues rooms / floors / counches in a sleeping bag and visiting a new city may not be what you like. But spending the weekend in Barcelona or Madrid or Dublin or London or Amsterdam and it costing you nothing more than a discounted flight is great for them. OTOH my nieces and nephews do exactly that with friends across EU and they don't work in airline industry.
Yes, cabin crew has a serious side, but the T&Cs of employment are mediocre at best. Anyone working as FR cabin crew should be thinking of the next thing to do so as to ensure they get the most out of their life
The graduates I worked with in 2016 referenced an article where someone got dismissed when he highlighted that graduates were more interested in quality of life than ascending the career ladder. They saw parents / family marraiges collapse as people got sucked into corporate world who could never be around for them. I have asked grads the same question since and found having a life and friends was more important than the next career step. Think you find at the end of this that that view will predominate.
The Hypnoboon - in your discussion of whether it'll be PIK or GLA to get the chop, you suggest that
I have to say that I'm not aware that passenger convenience has ever entered into the working considerations of Mr O'Leary
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GLA is more convenient for passengers
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I think it is difficult to assume anything because spare cash both from customers and banks to fund airlines may not be around.
I can see some regional airports existing on a few flights in morning and evening.
When I started the Coronavirus airline thread 3 months ago I suggested it could be worst case scenario a 10 yr recovery if it went bad, it still is a long stretch to get to that time frame but somewhere between 5 and 10 is not now unrealistic.
I agree Racedo - We, plus the aviation industry, the Economy, the Banks, will all have to press a very large Reset Button that will see the face of everything change beyond recognition to the way we lived and operated just 3 months ago.
Who would have thought that today we would discuss here comments made from Ryanair's CEO M O'L, who said a few days ago when also sadly announcing (along with BA) that many thousands's of staff job cuts were looming, and he added the caveat "IF we survive this''
RYR, BA, VS and EZY who all the UK's major airlines are all struggling to survive, and 1 or 2 of those may not, or they may just survive but in a very different size & form.
RYR has not as yet, said that they are seriously running out of cash but the others have.
It is awful to comment on the looming scale of job losses - My aviation career from 1972 saw almost every airline that I worked for go bust in one form or another, often without telling me or without prior knowledge to make a plan.
My commiserations to all colleagues still working in our industry and humbly acknowledge this pain.
Who would have thought that today we would discuss here comments made from Ryanair's CEO M O'L, who said a few days ago when also sadly announcing (along with BA) that many thousands's of staff job cuts were looming, and he added the caveat "IF we survive this''
RYR, BA, VS and EZY who all the UK's major airlines are all struggling to survive, and 1 or 2 of those may not, or they may just survive but in a very different size & form.
RYR has not as yet, said that they are seriously running out of cash but the others have.
It is awful to comment on the looming scale of job losses - My aviation career from 1972 saw almost every airline that I worked for go bust in one form or another, often without telling me or without prior knowledge to make a plan.
My commiserations to all colleagues still working in our industry and humbly acknowledge this pain.
Mate wants a new car, he fully intends to get one with a stupid price offer to dealers, if they say no he goes to the next one but as likely half the plate period will be over he sees an opportunity.
Kenny Jacobs as he was leaving Ryanair last week suggested that there would mega sales in Ryanair when thy allowed fly again. Yup I can see that happening and will use.
In tandem with "The Great Reboot" will be "The Great Reset". Many people furloughed are having best time of the lives, getting a paid holiday to sit at home and do nothing, no travelling to work, nowhere to spend money, mortgages and debts parked. A chance to sit and think where am I going in life. Many people will exit the rat race completely deciding that time to thing about what I really want to do.
There are also the many who get to work from home for the first time, realising they can be just as productive over the day and yup 9-5 may not suit but 8-8 where family time is built in and everything works around this may be a better option. The £20 a day travelling to work, 2 hours a day gone, lunches and coffee etc not bought is a bloody big saving.
It will be an interesting time for eveybody.
Who would have thought that today we would discuss here comments made from Ryanair's CEO M O'L, who said a few days ago when also sadly announcing (along with BA) that many thousands's of staff job cuts were looming, and he added the caveat "IF we survive this''
RYR, BA, VS and EZY who all the UK's major airlines are all struggling to survive, and 1 or 2 of those may not, or they may just survive but in a very different size & form.
RYR has not as yet, said that they are seriously running out of cash but the others have.
RYR, BA, VS and EZY who all the UK's major airlines are all struggling to survive, and 1 or 2 of those may not, or they may just survive but in a very different size & form.
RYR has not as yet, said that they are seriously running out of cash but the others have.
It is awful to comment on the looming scale of job losses - My aviation career from 1972 saw almost every airline that I worked for go bust in one form or another, often without telling me or without prior knowledge to make a plan.
My commiserations to all colleagues still working in our industry and humbly acknowledge this pain.
My commiserations to all colleagues still working in our industry and humbly acknowledge this pain.
Post 9/11 the industry looked dead but in Europe it was Ryanair who bet the farm. They are less risk takers now but will go all in.
Oh I get you BUT many people have influencers on their lives, they may want to go but the influencers start saying "No", "Too risky" etc etc. Talking on zoom (other services are available) is ok but sitting in a group at a bar and coversation goes everywhere and someone suggests something, bar person chips in saying X was great, etc etc and a plan starts. Just a wee bit harder on zoom etc.
Once got a software guy to save £130k a year by telling him this can't be done, cost £120 in overtime and he knew his boss claimed it was impossible at a meeting 2 hrs before. A week later his boss took the credit for it being done as said he had a chance to review it. We both knew the truth but he needed the win more than I did, happy to trade for the cooperation door that it opened as well.
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Having given it thought I'm OK taking accepting vouchers for cancelled flights rather than refunds. I'm using the vouchers to purchase future flights today knowing I'm probably buying at inflated prices before any anticipated seat sale but what bugs me here in Ireland is our health Minister stated the public won't be travelling this year! He said something along the lines its not looking good for any foreign travel this year. He stated why take a two week holiday in the sun and then face 2 weeks of quarantine when you get back? Now he's really trying my patience.
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Grant Shapps did something similar here in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52519340
This week we are due to get some clarity on the way forward with the various papers which the government are preparing to publish. If a 2 week quarantine period is introduced that would pretty much squash any chance of overseas holidays for most this summer but at least holiday companies and the travelling public will have some thing to build their future plans around.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52519340
This week we are due to get some clarity on the way forward with the various papers which the government are preparing to publish. If a 2 week quarantine period is introduced that would pretty much squash any chance of overseas holidays for most this summer but at least holiday companies and the travelling public will have some thing to build their future plans around.
That proposed 14-day mandatory quarantine period will kill virtually all passenger air travel stone dead. What business executive can travel on those terms? What employee can return home from their annual holiday only to phone into work to say they're in great health but they're entering two weeks of quarantine? This proposal would be quite catastrophic for economic recovery, let alone for the commercial aviation industry.
Practical measures with quantifiable payback make sense. Blunt instrument proposals do not. Arriving passengers should be administered a quick C-19 test, should install an NHS 'track and trace' app on their phone, and should wear a face mask in public spaces. Most passengers would accept these measures as enduring the inconvenience makes sense for the greater good. Compulsory quarantine for all will simply destroy the airline industry and hugely damage the wider economy. And I'm very sceptical whether it would prevent any significant C-19 risk over and above the sensible measures just outlined.
The airline industry must lobby with urgency for common sense solutions only.
Practical measures with quantifiable payback make sense. Blunt instrument proposals do not. Arriving passengers should be administered a quick C-19 test, should install an NHS 'track and trace' app on their phone, and should wear a face mask in public spaces. Most passengers would accept these measures as enduring the inconvenience makes sense for the greater good. Compulsory quarantine for all will simply destroy the airline industry and hugely damage the wider economy. And I'm very sceptical whether it would prevent any significant C-19 risk over and above the sensible measures just outlined.
The airline industry must lobby with urgency for common sense solutions only.
That proposed 14-day mandatory quarantine period will kill virtually all passenger air travel stone dead. What business executive can travel on those terms? What employee can return home from their annual holiday only to phone into work to say they're in great health but they're entering two weeks of quarantine? This proposal would be quite catastrophic for economic recovery, let alone for the commercial aviation industry.
Practical measures with quantifiable payback make sense. Blunt instrument proposals do not. Arriving passengers should be administered a quick C-19 test, should install an NHS 'track and trace' app on their phone, and should wear a face mask in public spaces. Most passengers would accept these measures as enduring the inconvenience makes sense for the greater good. Compulsory quarantine for all will simply destroy the airline industry and hugely damage the wider economy. And I'm very sceptical whether it would prevent any significant C-19 risk over and above the sensible measures just outlined.
The airline industry must lobby with urgency for common sense solutions only.
Practical measures with quantifiable payback make sense. Blunt instrument proposals do not. Arriving passengers should be administered a quick C-19 test, should install an NHS 'track and trace' app on their phone, and should wear a face mask in public spaces. Most passengers would accept these measures as enduring the inconvenience makes sense for the greater good. Compulsory quarantine for all will simply destroy the airline industry and hugely damage the wider economy. And I'm very sceptical whether it would prevent any significant C-19 risk over and above the sensible measures just outlined.
The airline industry must lobby with urgency for common sense solutions only.
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That proposed 14-day mandatory quarantine period will kill virtually all passenger air travel stone dead. What business executive can travel on those terms? What employee can return home from their annual holiday only to phone into work to say they're in great health but they're entering two weeks of quarantine? This proposal would be quite catastrophic for economic recovery, let alone for the commercial aviation industry.
We will have to wait and see what the tourist ministers of Europe come to in their get together. Some countries completely depending on the tourist industry for most of their income are pressing for some arrangement, possibly that some complete resorts are seen as quarantine zones. Probably starting with reciprocal arrangements between neighbours. But the risks are that rules suddenly change while you are away, or when you are waiting for your booked holliday to begin and you are denied a quick refund. Ref the company who's name this thread bears. That 6 month refund delay could certainly come back and bite Ryanair, and other airlines, in the proverbials when it comes to future bookings in uncertain times.
Difficult to quantify but once they are here for the winter only the occasional trip back to uk to visit family is made, probably not a great number to support the pre covid flight schedules.
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Good evening Leo Hairy Camel.
Good evening Leo Hairy Camel. For those of us who see the advantages of supporting the future of cheap air travel, we need vouchers with a greater validity than just 12 months.
In the event that vouchers have not been used at the end of the expiry period you will get what ever is left over, back as cash.
