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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 13:35
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Sorry but I wouldn’t get to alarmed by the results

1 ) Which Magazine that had 4000 grumbly old “ Victor Meldrews “ read and comment on

2 ) That 4000 readers also read the Daily Mail and hate anything English

3 ) Average age 78
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 13:40
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Originally Posted by MARKEYD
Sorry but I wouldn’t get to alarmed by the results

1 ) Which Magazine that had 4000 grumbly old “ Victor Meldrews “ read and comment on

2 ) That 4000 readers also read the Daily Mail and hate anything English

3 ) Average age 78
Leary wouldnt care anyway. Only the bottom line interests him.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 18:05
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Being slated by Which?, O`Leary would regard as little more than free publicity..
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 18:37
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They provide a reliable regular bus service, not a luxury coach once a week - which and its readers need to get real.
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Originally Posted by airsound
Huffpost says

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...yBrief23082019

Or go directly to Which if you're a subscriber.

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Which? has in excess of 1.5 million members and 4000 replied.

It hasn't got any credibility in its surveys and hasn't had for decades and uses press releases as yet another method of adding on subscribers. Unlike other surveys there is no proof of a single person answering the survey 1.) they have ever flown Ryanair 2.) involved in contacting Ryanair customer services.

Yet UK media quote them as Gospel.
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Old 23rd Aug 2019, 21:13
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Ryanair confirms that will close 4 bases in Spain next January.

https://www.brecorder.com/2019/08/24...xt-year-union/
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One can’t help but wonder how quickly will those airports become new bases for other airlines in the group that are on a lower cost base?
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 12:19
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Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 14:25
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Originally Posted by FlyboyUK
One can’t help but wonder how quickly will those airports become new bases for other airlines in the group that are on a lower cost base?
lower lower cost than ryanair?
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 14:46
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I suspect that now their staff are on proper contracts and therefore more expensive than casual labour, that their cost base is much the same as their competitors. How does Wizz pay its staff?
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 16:43
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Originally Posted by daz211
Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.
Nope

More of a contant willingness to review what they are doing, what is working, what is not, what needs to change quickly and slowly and doing it. No resting on Laurels but getting better all the time and not being wedded to history.

In addition there are 4 people seeking MOL's job in 2022.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 16:59
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Originally Posted by daz211
Personally I think it’s a mix of the Jet2 effect and the Max aircraft issues.
Definitely
FR was my only real LCC choice for years out of BHX/EMA.
Maybe 30+ flights but now I have now stopped using them completely.
Jet2 beats them into a cocked hat.Price,their own,not Agency staff, aircraft, timings -the lot
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 17:53
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Originally Posted by racedo
Nope

More of a contant willingness to review what they are doing, what is working, what is not, what needs to change quickly and slowly and doing it. No resting on Laurels but getting better all the time and not being wedded to history.

In addition there are 4 people seeking MOL's job in 2022.
Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 18:56
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Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.
except that the UK isn't Ryanairs only market they fly from all over western Europe to the canaries.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 19:24
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I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 19:40
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Originally Posted by paully
Being slated by Which?, O`Leary would regard as little more than free publicity..
Best free advertising! Profit is king.
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Old 24th Aug 2019, 19:58
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Originally Posted by daz211
I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.
But the difference is though that Jet2 focus more on the package side of the business now while Ryanair are more flight only. Jet2 seems to be effecting TUI and TCX more than Ryanair. Has there been any big cuts to the holiday market's from Ryanair from the South east?
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 11:42
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Originally Posted by daz211
Thats my point, Jet2 have given people a choice and they are all over the canaries, hence making Ryanair review what is not working “for them” the Jet2 effect.
Not in the slightest. Jet2 after a different market segment and it is a UK centric brand that people know zero about in Europe.

In 2018 Jet2 fly 12 million people, in Juy 2019 Ryanair flew 14.8 million.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 14:08
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Originally Posted by daz211
I’m aware of the route network, however the UK holiday market especially in the south East is / was massive to Ryanair, in the past few years Jet2 has stomped all over Ryanair on almost all holiday routes and it doesn’t look like they have any intention of slowing down anytime soon.
What routes does FR operate with aircraft based in the Canaries to the UK where there's an overlap with Jet2. I would've thought any Canaries routes from STN/LTN would be operated by aircraft based in the UK, which is then irrelevant to the closure of the Canaries bases.
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Old 25th Aug 2019, 15:01
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Originally Posted by caaardiff
What routes does FR operate with aircraft based in the Canaries to the UK where there's an overlap with Jet2. I would've thought any Canaries routes from STN/LTN would be operated by aircraft based in the UK, which is then irrelevant to the closure of the Canaries bases.
Newcastle is one of them and no doubt some other regional UK airports such as Edinburgh, Manchester, Birmingham, East Midlands etc. Any base closure for destination from NCL is likely to have the route dropped unless a base is opened or an aircraft on a W sector.
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