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There is an order in for 4 ATR72-600
1 E190 (ER-ECC) has been painted white at East Midlands,
1 JS41 (G-MAJU) has gone to cranfield
looks like G-MAJK (JS41) has been repaired and now back in service
1 E170 Still to come back from storage
more likely to replace G-CDEB (S2000)
the 2 E145 are up for sale
think 2 new routes will be CWL-BHD and CWL-DUB
There is only 2 ATR72's both are at SOU
1 E190 (ER-ECC) has been painted white at East Midlands,
1 JS41 (G-MAJU) has gone to cranfield
looks like G-MAJK (JS41) has been repaired and now back in service
1 E170 Still to come back from storage
more likely to replace G-CDEB (S2000)
the 2 E145 are up for sale
think 2 new routes will be CWL-BHD and CWL-DUB
There is only 2 ATR72's both are at SOU
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Eastern now have 4 ATR72s at Southampton. There are gaps in the middle of the day should they want to increase frequency or add more routes. No aircraft based at Belfast City (BHD) at present, but they may have been waiting for Stobart Air to announce before doing so.
Looking at the schedules, the following aircraft seem to be based:
Cardiff - 1x J41
Humberside - 1x J41
Leeds/Bradford - 1x J41
Southampton - 4x ATR72
Teesside - 1x E190, 2x J41, 1x S2000
That leaves the 2x E145 new (3x) Embraer (170/190) aircraft, 2x ATR72 and 1x J41 unaccounted for. This would either be new bases or grow Southampton for European
Looking at the schedules, the following aircraft seem to be based:
Cardiff - 1x J41
Humberside - 1x J41
Leeds/Bradford - 1x J41
Southampton - 4x ATR72
Teesside - 1x E190, 2x J41, 1x S2000
That leaves the 2x E145 new (3x) Embraer (170/190) aircraft, 2x ATR72 and 1x J41 unaccounted for. This would either be new bases or grow Southampton for European
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Right now Eastern only have 2 ATRs at SOU
2nd daily weekdays flight to MAN due to start next week, and DUB (5 weekly) from 17/08.
Further frequency increases on BHD, NCL and MAN from 31/08
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They even have some flights which go out as a Jetstream 41 from SOU and the same rotation returns as an ATR72 - it does that five days a week. If they've got a magic handling agent, maybe that's where the extra ATRs are coming from! Quite impressive. As long as they don't reverse the spell one day and you send an ATR72 and get a J41 in return....
Is there not a question that whatever any airline has on sale at the moment for the coming winter (routes, frequencies, equipment) is rather aspirational versus the reality of what might actually happen? I don't think Eastern would be alone in that. Loganair's schedule still has loads of ATR72s scattered around too, and BA still has high frequencies showing on a lot of routes that are hard to imagine happening.
Is there not a question that whatever any airline has on sale at the moment for the coming winter (routes, frequencies, equipment) is rather aspirational versus the reality of what might actually happen? I don't think Eastern would be alone in that. Loganair's schedule still has loads of ATR72s scattered around too, and BA still has high frequencies showing on a lot of routes that are hard to imagine happening.
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They even have some flights which go out as a Jetstream 41 from SOU and the same rotation returns as an ATR72 - it does that five days a week. If they've got a magic handling agent, maybe that's where the extra ATRs are coming from! Quite impressive. As long as they don't reverse the spell one day and you send an ATR72 and get a J41 in return....
Is there not a question that whatever any airline has on sale at the moment for the coming winter (routes, frequencies, equipment) is rather aspirational versus the reality of what might actually happen? I don't think Eastern would be alone in that. Loganair's schedule still has loads of ATR72s scattered around too, and BA still has high frequencies showing on a lot of routes that are hard to imagine happening.
Is there not a question that whatever any airline has on sale at the moment for the coming winter (routes, frequencies, equipment) is rather aspirational versus the reality of what might actually happen? I don't think Eastern would be alone in that. Loganair's schedule still has loads of ATR72s scattered around too, and BA still has high frequencies showing on a lot of routes that are hard to imagine happening.
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I'm glad you can keep up with it all.
But back to the thread title, four ATR72s all doing two flights a day each doesn't seem very real-world. It seems more like an effort to put a schedule into the system to be attractive to anyone booking.
But back to the thread title, four ATR72s all doing two flights a day each doesn't seem very real-world. It seems more like an effort to put a schedule into the system to be attractive to anyone booking.
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Seems that G-MAJW was reregistered with Eastern Airways on G-INFO on the 28th July
This must be with wanting 10 Jetstream 41's in service that was mentioned earlier on here
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Does anyone have any insight into passenger numbers on the ex-Flybe routes? Anecdotally I've heard that they're a bit hit and miss, which hopefully is just a Covid symptom which will improve with time.
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With all the planned Eastern expansion notably at MME, SOU and other airports how come Eastern only appear to be advertising for cabin crew at CWL on their webpage ?
i know they do the twice daily CWL-VLY route with the based J41 and prior to COVID-19 they also did the daily MME/ABZ but this was with a non based aircraft.
Would this cabin crew recruitment drive be purely for the VLY route or is something else in the planning for CWL as since the loss of Flybe, CWL has lost (and not replaced to date) BHD, DUB, EDI, GLA, JER and CDG.......or is this just wishful thinking ? Just seems odd to be advertising solely for CWL based crew.
i know they do the twice daily CWL-VLY route with the based J41 and prior to COVID-19 they also did the daily MME/ABZ but this was with a non based aircraft.
Would this cabin crew recruitment drive be purely for the VLY route or is something else in the planning for CWL as since the loss of Flybe, CWL has lost (and not replaced to date) BHD, DUB, EDI, GLA, JER and CDG.......or is this just wishful thinking ? Just seems odd to be advertising solely for CWL based crew.
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With all the planned Eastern expansion notably at MME, SOU and other airports how come Eastern only appear to be advertising for cabin crew at CWL on their webpage ?
i know they do the twice daily CWL-VLY route with the based J41 and prior to COVID-19 they also did the daily MME/ABZ but this was with a non based aircraft.
Would this cabin crew recruitment drive be purely for the VLY route or is something else in the planning for CWL as since the loss of Flybe, CWL has lost (and not replaced to date) BHD, DUB, EDI, GLA, JER and CDG.......or is this just wishful thinking ? Just seems odd to be advertising solely for CWL based crew.
i know they do the twice daily CWL-VLY route with the based J41 and prior to COVID-19 they also did the daily MME/ABZ but this was with a non based aircraft.
Would this cabin crew recruitment drive be purely for the VLY route or is something else in the planning for CWL as since the loss of Flybe, CWL has lost (and not replaced to date) BHD, DUB, EDI, GLA, JER and CDG.......or is this just wishful thinking ? Just seems odd to be advertising solely for CWL based crew.
SOU-MAN . The published schedule shows twice daily Mon-Fri on the ATR.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant.
All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly?
Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant.
All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly?
Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights.
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SOU-MAN . The published schedule shows twice daily Mon-Fri on the ATR.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant.
All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly?
Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights.
However, in practise only Mon & Fri are twice daily- Tue, Wed, Thu appear to be only once- thus not allowing day return & timing not brilliant.
All my flights mid Sept have been downgraded from the ATR to the Jetstream. Begs the question what are they doing with the ATRs that hardly seem to fly?
Both the schedule and type would put me off booking further flights.
A bumpy ride ahead for SOU for sure!
Fortunately or unfortunately which ever way your viewpoint is, the J41 is Easterns only hope of culling operating losses on thin routes being operated which accounts for pretty much all of them. As the ATRs are leased I’m guessing there will be an operating charge per hour, so keeping them on the ground is the cheapest way of doing things.
Pretty dire in the grand scheme of things to have a leased asset sitting on the ground doing nothing, but is the lesser of two evils. As for their jet fleet, well, least said the better I think. Tough times ahead.
Pretty dire in the grand scheme of things to have a leased asset sitting on the ground doing nothing, but is the lesser of two evils. As for their jet fleet, well, least said the better I think. Tough times ahead.
Agreed, tough times.
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In the SOU case, MAN was planned to be double daily on the ATR, but the demand just hasn't been there. Average loads are increasing but at a fairly slow rate. The Jetstream has been used more often than not, with some flights on the ATR. As a result it's planned as one daily flight for the rest of September.
Belfast is going double daily on the ATR from the 14th September as demand on that route is much higher and the use of an ATR is justified as they're carrying more pax than a Jetstream could hold.
I think it's been a case of having a plan and adjusting it to fit with the realities of the market right now. As SWBKCB says it's a mess everywhere.
Belfast is going double daily on the ATR from the 14th September as demand on that route is much higher and the use of an ATR is justified as they're carrying more pax than a Jetstream could hold.
I think it's been a case of having a plan and adjusting it to fit with the realities of the market right now. As SWBKCB says it's a mess everywhere.