Eastern Airways-2

[adfly]

Originally Posted by rog747

I need to go to Yorkshire asap for a day trip - it is for business
(ATM we cannot stay overnight under the current lock-down rules) and it is a bloody long drive from sleepy Dorset to go for the day, not even gonna go there.

Great, let's fly I thought -

I live fairly local to SOU and wish to use, and support my local airport -
Eastern re-start LBA 29 June.

Very p'''d off to see that although they are now flying again to/from LBA their flight times are totally useless for a day trip - 17.05 departure from SOU.
This will never work for us, so why did they even bother?

OK let's go to LHR -
BA have just announced last week they are dropping their LBA from LHR - An almost continuous link since before my days working at BMA at LHR when we took over the LBA service from BA in 1980. BMA did 4 daily Viscount flights.

Ugh.............

I expect they'll be a further easing of the lockdown rules before the routes start, I'd be very surprised if in a months time it is still not allowing overnight stays. I guess it's a tricky one for the airlines, they have to balance offering flexibility against the very low demand at the moment.

However the lack of any coherent roadmap of planned lockdown easing from the Govt is very frustrating for individuals and businesses. Then again it's hardly surprising considering the incompetence seen at most stages of this situation by them...

[N707ZS]

rog747 are the Teesside time any use to you. On checking. looks like night stop only either way.

[rog747]

N707ZS -
No sorry the MME is not on sale yet - I looked at that.

Adlfy -
Yes it maybe that after July 4th we may know that hotels and B&B's can reopen, with the Govt allowing overnight stays - I can hang on a wee while to see if that happens.

[BOHEuropean]

G-CDKB flew back to Örebro Airport, Sweden, on 18th June 2020. Has this been returned to the lessor or just on maintenance?

[PintofDoom]

KB

This aircraft has gone for a C check and should return in 2 weeks time.

[BOHEuropean]

Originally Posted by PintofDoom

This aircraft has gone for a C check and should return in 2 weeks time.

Thanks for the information

[NorthEasterner]

J41 majority

Just been doing some looking around, and most of their restarting routes seem to be entirely based on utilising the J41 aircraft. With notable exception on MME-ALC, MME-DUB and MME-LCY.

There also seems to be a few routes missing from sale on website: ABZ to WIC, NCL and SOU as well as MME-CWL. Along with MME-IOM (which I believe was expected due to TT races cancelled).

Anyone know what is happening with T3's ATR's (G-IACY and IACZ), are they being used solely for Oil / Charter? As well as Embraer 145s and 170 and the Saab 2000s. ?

[mmeteesside]

Originally Posted by NorthEasterner

Just been doing some looking around, and most of their restarting routes seem to be entirely based on utilising the J41 aircraft. With notable exception on MME-ALC, MME-DUB and MME-LCY.

There also seems to be a few routes missing from sale on website: ABZ to WIC, NCL and SOU as well as MME-CWL. Along with MME-IOM (which I believe was expected due to TT races cancelled).

Anyone know what is happening with T3's ATR's (G-IACY and IACZ), are they being used solely for Oil / Charter? As well as Embraer 145s and 170 and the Saab 2000s. ?

Teesside will have 2x J41, a Saab and E170 eventually. E170 probably utilised elsewhere too but operating ALC on Mon/Fri, Saab works LCY and DUB, with J41s doing ABZ/BHD/CWL/NQY/SOU routes. CWL returns at the end of August when everything appears to be back to full schedule (at the moment anyway!)
Believe one of the ATRs was meant to be going to SOU for MAN/DUB

[Cautious Optimist]

The E170 is thought to be operating the Jersey flight from MME too. Both E145s are for sale at the below website, but they have the 5N- one back again so not sure if they're keeping that? I remember reading the IAC contract work was coming to an end so the ATRs are freed up.

https://www.skyworld.co.uk/wp-conten...OP-APR2020.pdf

[Atlantic Explorer]

Originally Posted by Cautious Optimist

The E170 is thought to be operating the Jersey flight from MME too. Both E145s are for sale at the below website, but they have the 5N- one back again so not sure if they're keeping that? I remember reading the IAC contract work was coming to an end so the ATRs are freed up.

https://www.skyworld.co.uk/wp-conten...OP-APR2020.pdf

ATRs going to SOU to be based. IAC contract has finished.

[Hotel Uniform Yankee]

NCL to ABZ doesn't appear to be bookable with Eastern anymore. Has this route gone too?

[ATIS31]

Originally Posted by Hotel Uniform Yankee

NCL to ABZ doesn't appear to be bookable with Eastern anymore. Has this route gone too?

WIC - ABZ Gone Staff made redundant today. That leaves WIC with no scheduled air services anymore

[davidjohnson6]

PSO from Scottish Govt ?

[ATIS31]

Originally Posted by davidjohnson6

PSO from Scottish Govt ?

Be interesting to see what the response is. But I won't hold my breath !

[rog747]

Does Eastern actually work with the airports they fly to?

Great, booked flights SOU-MME-SOU for July for a business meet in North Yorkshire, fares only £49 each way, whereas LBA is £100+ o/w...
Go to hire a car at MME airport and all rental locations are closed by 18.30 when Eastern Airlines flights arrive - You really cannot make this up...... Huge fail again.

[BA318]

Originally Posted by rog747

Does Eastern actually work with the airports they fly to?

Great, booked flights SOU-MME-SOU for July for a business meet in North Yorkshire, fares only £49 each way, whereas LBA is £100+ o/w...
Go to hire a car at MME airport and all rental locations are closed by 18.30 when Eastern Airlines flights arrive - You really cannot make this up...... Huge fail again.

That can be fairly common at small airports. Even here in Sweden, the car rental places at Skavsta close before the last Ryanair flight and at Arlanda they close before the last SAS flight from London lands. I doubt the airlines decide their timings based on the operations of a car hire company.

most can make arrangements for an extra fee.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by BA318

That can be fairly common at small airports. Even here in Sweden, the car rental places at Skavsta close before the last Ryanair flight and at Arlanda they close before the last SAS flight from London lands. I doubt the airlines decide their timings based on the operations of a car hire company.

most can make arrangements for an extra fee.

Yup and that extra fee makes a <24 hour car rental almost £150.

My point was that both Eastern and MME want to make a go of things with UK connectivity - All of Easterns' flights arrive after 6pm
If Eastern want to make a go of the newly announced LHR and LCY route to MME then stuff like car rental should be available.

I've canx'd all the flights now got my money back -
I now gather the actual SOU-MME service may not now operate anyway, so I would likely have been re protected on the Leeds or NCL services.
Anyway I think I back now again to using the car....

[caaardiff]

Originally Posted by rog747

Does Eastern actually work with the airports they fly to?

Great, booked flights SOU-MME-SOU for July for a business meet in North Yorkshire, fares only £49 each way, whereas LBA is £100+ o/w...
Go to hire a car at MME airport and all rental locations are closed by 18.30 when Eastern Airlines flights arrive - You really cannot make this up...... Huge fail again.

Not really sure how you can blame Eastern for that? They operate the service based on demand/slots/aircraft availability, not when the car hire is open. You'd think if car hire was important you'd have done your research before booking the flight, especially at an Airport the size of MME and with the current changes to operations.
Also, Europcar do an out of hours service for £60, which still makes it cheaper than LBA. So you clearly just wanted a moan rather than doing proper research.
I see you even moan about the LBA route on the Leeds thread. Can't please everyone.

[rog747]

Originally Posted by caaardiff

Not really sure how you can blame Eastern for that? They operate the service based on demand/slots/aircraft availability, not when the car hire is open. You'd think if car hire was important you'd have done your research before booking the flight, especially at an Airport the size of MME and with the current changes to operations.
Also, Europcar do an out of hours service for £60, which still makes it cheaper than LBA. So you clearly just wanted a moan rather than doing proper research.
I see you even moan about the LBA route on the Leeds thread. Can't please everyone.

With all due respect I worked at LHR with BMA for many years when we had 5 x DC-9 MME rotations a day - I'm not daft you know.

What amazes me is that airlines today such as Eastern will have no chance on getting these routes viable if timing and infrastructure is absent/lacking -
I am quite easily pleased but if we want to see recovery (post Covid - post Flybe - post almost everything else) then some foresight has to be in the business plan surely?
I have tried again and again to use my local airport and to support it but to no avail.

[virginblue]

Realistically, car rentals will have odne their maths. Keeping the office open for the last arriving flight of the day most likely does not pay off at smallish airports as there will be a hire only once in a while