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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:05
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You can't compare a low cost airline and a market in different part of the world with an airport like Norwich or airlines like Eastern Airways. As for KLM their main market is onward connections not point 2 point and they know that the people who want the convenience of traveling from their doorstep will pay for it.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:42
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I disagree Jerry.


I actually learnt to fly at Cardiff 36 years ago and understand the problems. There is nothing conveniant about flying long haul from Cardiff or Norwich via Schipol as this usually involves a long layover. Heathrow is more convenient to both the above local airports to fly direct long haul and much cheaper. Cardiff and Norwich both suffer from a low catchment area.

I guess you have never had the misfortune to be stuck in Amsterdam after a long haul flight when the regional connection is cancelled.

It happens on a regular basis.

Nothing can beat Heathrow for cost and destination.

As for KLM long haul...I guess you don't travel to Asia much.

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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:44
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I agree Heathrow is better, but nobody can deny to continue success of KLM's operation throughout the UK from the airports you mention
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 15:49
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KLM are both expensive and poor long haul operators.

If you have ever had the misfortune to fly to Asia with them then you will know they abysmal service on old aircraft with cabin crew to match.They are years behind Eva or China Airlines for price and service.

Their UK and European Cityhoppers are expensive to say the least.

Give me Ryanair any day. New fleet with young cabin crew and cheap fares.

I avoid traditional flag carriers who charge big money for low quality service.

Cardiff and Norwich are both around 2.5 hours from Heathrow with direct global flights.

A one way car rent is only 80 making the Schipol cost option a dead duck.

But back to Eastern...operating 28 seater aircraft to tiny UK airports is not a great business model. Their reliabilty is very poor alongside Flybe. Add to that the 10 tax departure and stasi type security staff at Norwich and you have the perfect deterent for passengers.

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Old 17th Dec 2017, 16:00
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Eastern still have bmi for company on the ABZ run as well. Goodness knows how either make any money from it nowadays.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 16:35
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I have plenty of experience using KLM and Schipol travelling to the Portland Oregon in the US. I do it a couple of times a year to go see my partner. Compared to using Heathrow like my parents did recently and the 5 hours round trip for me to go get there and back traveling via Amsterdam is a doddle. Even my parents said next time they'll look at flying from Cardiff.
I've never had a flight cancelled but I have missed connections due to the weather, fog in Amsterdam. KLM put me in a very nice hotel and paid for a very nice meal and travel to the hotel and back so no complaints there. I've also found that generally price wise it's cheaper as well even cheaper than the direct flight out of Heathrow that started this year.
I pick Cardiff every time, i even have the choice of coming home via Paris CDG as well though that isn't as easy to transit as Schipol.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 23:08
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I'm sure Eastern will be around for a while; but maybe just not necessarily operating non-PSO scheduled services?

Someone tell Eastern's website person that they are advertising a 1 hour round trip flight from Aberdeen on Thursdays, though?
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Old 18th Dec 2017, 08:50
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BACF are leasing a E70 from T3 for just over 2 months from 22JAN to 24MAR. The aircraft will be based at LCY and will be used operate the following flights.

BA7301/BA7302 - LCY-LIN-LCY (Mon-Sat)
BA4455/BA4456 - LCY-RTM-LCY (Mon-Fri)
BA7305/BA7306 - LCY-LIN-LCY (Sun-Fri)
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 01:49
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Looking at Eastern schedules I see a round trip from Humberside to Aberdeen costs between 298 and 358.

I can go long haul for that.

To make matters worse the trip takes 1.45 due to a stop at Durham.

I guess like all the flights on the east coast the price is designed to milk those in the oil and gas industry.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 12:06
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But if you want to go from Humberside to Aberdeen whats the alternative? 6hrs 45 on the train (two changes) or 7hrs (400 miles) by road. You pays yer money and takes yer choice.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 10:16
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Does Eastern airways have a crew base at London City Airport...????
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 10:39
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Originally Posted by fjencl View Post
Does Eastern airways have a crew base at London City Airport...????
I don’t think they have a base at LCY. I believe they have crew based at:ABZ, NCL, LBA, MME, HUY, BRS, IOM, NWI and RDZ I think they also might have also opened a crew base at GLA when they started operating from there for BE.

Does anyone know if there are crew based in CWL for the VLY flights?.

BE’s daily flight to BHD from ABZ are now showing as being operated by T3 from Mon to Sat using a E70 starting next week.

Monday to Friday

BE1361 ABZ 07:25 LCY 09:05
BE1362 LCY 09:35 ABZ 11:55
BE153 ABZ 11:55 BHD 12:55
BE154 BHD 13:20 ABZ 14:20
BE1365 ABZ 17:20 LCY 19:00
BE1366 LCY 19:30 ABZ 21:00

Saturday

BE153 ABZ 11:25 BHD 12:25
BE154 BHD 12:50 ABZ 13:50

Sunday

BE1036 ABZ 12:55 MAN 14:05
BE1037 MAN 14:30 ABZ 15:45
BE1365 ABZ 17:20 LCY 19:00
BE1366 LCY 19:30 ABZ 21:00
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 13:44
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I believe they do have crew based at CWL as well as engineering support.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 13:55
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Originally Posted by BAladdy View Post
BE1362 LCY 09:35 ABZ 11:55
Two hours and twenty minutes? Something's not quite right there!
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 18:22
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Maybe they've built in some slack to meet the 0m turnaround.
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Old 2nd Jan 2018, 19:37
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Yeah should say 11:05 not 11:55.

Looks like the E70 operating on the the ABZ to LCY and ABZ to BHD routes is only a temporary thing as flights from 25MAR are showing as being operated by a DHC8.
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Old 3rd Jan 2018, 17:19
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As i mentioned in a earlier post, One of T3’s E70’s is being leased to BACF for approx 2 months . The aircraft will be LCY and will be operate to LIN and RTM. Coincidently the lease to BACF ends the day after the other E70 is due to op it’s last LCY flight.

I have heard that T3 are planning to rotate the E70 crews at LCY so that no one crew is based at LCY for more than 2-3days max. Can anyone confirm that the E70 crews are ABZ based?. If they are then that would make sense.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 07:11
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I think BACF might be regretting leasing the G-CIXW from T3 to operate on there behalf.

On Thursday the aircraft made a airbourne return to LCY due to a technical fault. Resulting in the cancellation of BA7305/BA7306 LCY-LIN-LCY rotation.

Yesterday afternoon the same aircraft had to replaced by a BACF E70 (G-LCYE) to operate the same rotation. Un sure if this was due to a tech problem or crew shortage. This resulted in the cancellation of the LCY-FRA-LCY rotation that the E70 should have operated.

Then this morning the aircraft has had to make yet another airbourne return (route used posted attached). Resulting in yet another round trip being cancelled. Does anyone know what is wrong with this aircraft?.
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 07:47
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Does anyone know what is wrong with this aircraft?.
Yes, it has a techincal issue!
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Old 27th Jan 2018, 11:13
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The issue being it`s run by cowboys
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