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Old 17th Feb 2020, 08:50
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I can assure you now - Eastern have no desire to be operating the E-Jets on short hops. They're going after a different market it seems.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by JSCL
I can assure you now - Eastern have no desire to be operating the E-Jets on short hops. They're going after a different market it seems.
This is definitely sensible and good news!
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 10:47
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I can assure you now - Eastern have no desire to be operating the E-Jets on short hops. They're going after a different market it seems.
Do we have any clue what this maybe? Could Spanish bucket and spade routes be really on the cards?
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 10:52
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I have read this article however, I was more interested in the source of the reports that Cautious Optimist referee to in there post. As haven’t heard or read anywhere that the aircraft are ex BE.

The original press release states:

Both the Embraer 170 and 190 have the ability of offering steep approaches to restricted airports, good short-field performance and long-range operations making them one of the most flexible aircraft in the up to 100-seat market”

The E170 fulfils all the criteria listed above, However I believe the E195’s are fitted with more than 100 seats and I am not sure if they have the steep approach capabilities mentioned in the original press release.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 11:06
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The Embraer 195 definitely cannot operate into LCY.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 13:32
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Maybe somebody with company inside information will be able to furnish some more news on where the 170/190's are going to operate and be based at.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 13:42
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Talk of the 170 being parked at MME when not doing charter work, not sure how true that is
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 15:19
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EMB 195

Maybe they are going to use these exFlybe machines on the summer sun routes out of Southampton, which Flybe have abandoned.
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 18:31
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Originally Posted by gkmeech
Maybe they are going to use these exFlybe machines on the summer sun routes out of Southampton, which Flybe have abandoned.
Donít think so, would have been announced by now for S20!
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Old 17th Feb 2020, 21:35
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Originally Posted by gkmeech
Maybe they are going to use these exFlybe machines on the summer sun routes out of Southampton, which Flybe have abandoned.
Just out of interest, does anybody know what the load factors were when Flybe flew out of Norwich to Alicante and Malaga?
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 11:00
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Has anything been discussed about what would happen to Easternís operations if Flybe ceased trading?
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 12:53
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Originally Posted by fotheringay
Just out of interest, does anybody know what the load factors were when Flybe flew out of Norwich to Alicante and Malaga?
Whatever they are, they are largely immaterial to whether the routes were a success financially. Sell 100 seats at £10 each and you've got £1000 revenue, sell the same 100 seats at £100 and you've got £10000. It's the revenue that counts, not the load factor.

Has anything been discussed about what would happen to Easternís operations if Flybe ceased trading?
It would be surprising with such a scenario and it's effect on Eastern had not been discussed by Eastern's management. I suppose it's just conceivable that the addition of three E190 / E195 (delete which not applicable) may be some sort of contingency since they apparently don't have any concrete work for them, at least so far as has been publicly announced.

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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Whatever they are, they are largely immaterial to whether the routes were a success financially. Sell 100 seats at £10 each and you've got £1000 revenue, sell the same 100 seats at £100 and you've got £10000. It's the revenue that counts, not the load factor.



It would be surprising with such a scenario and it's effect on Eastern had not been discussed by Eastern's management. I suppose it's just conceivable that the addition of three E190 / E195 (delete which not applicable) may be some sort of contingency since they apparently don't have any concrete work for them, at least so far as has been publicly announced.
That is interesting.

I believe Eastern donít directly sell anymore, so if Flybe went, how would Eastern be able to sell capacity on their flights? Presumably, they would have to resurrect their own sales side? Clearly I am thinking of the MME operation which will soon have a very big Eastern presence (sold through Flybe).
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 15:47
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Originally Posted by P330
That is interesting.

I believe Eastern donít directly sell anymore, so if Flybe went, how would Eastern be able to sell capacity on their flights? Presumably, they would have to resurrect their own sales side? Clearly I am thinking of the MME operation which will soon have a very big Eastern presence (sold through Flybe).
If they cherry picked the profitable routes and ignored the chaff I would have thought setting a new independent reservations / sales operation may be a small price to pay. The trick would be to not pick up any of the more marginal routes, and given that my hypothesis involves taking on E-jets, then thin routes would also be a no no.

Don't begin to know how they perform financially with Flybe, but I would imagine the likes of BHX and SOU to GLA / EDI may be interesting, also perhaps routes like BHX and MAN to Milan and Stuttgart could prove viable provided the leasing costs on the 190/195s were a better deal than the one that Flybe got themselves into.
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Old 19th Feb 2020, 16:09
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Word on the street is that the Embraer 190s are an aspiration and a long way off becoming a reality. Most of the discussions above could appear to be just as speculative.

The 170 is the aircraft they originally had in their fleet.

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Old 19th Feb 2020, 17:52
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall
Word on the street is that the Embraer 190s are an aspiration and a long way off becoming a reality. Most of the discussions above could appear to be just as speculative.

The 170 is the aircraft they originally had in their fleet.
According to Jethros the 3 x 190s have been acquired by Eastern with no in service dates. On an unrelated matter Flybe return their next 195 to the lessor tomorrow, the one after that on 13 Mar and the next one on 18Apr....
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 10:18
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Before some get carried away - in this month's Airliner World, the news item on Eastern's plan to acquire E190s has the information that the aircraft are intended to strengthen the airline's charter operation.
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 10:53
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Given Flybe are now quite possibly going to close, given Virgin Connect is no more than a name with six weeks to go before the summer season and no business plan to feed VS announced, what's the contingency plan for T3 on day one if their whole booking engine and payment process closes down with Flybe?

I remember how long it took, how much it cost and how much pain and hassle doing so inflicted on Loganair, as they had to put in a new website to deal with this, but they had months of notice.
It's not an overnight fix, given the likely revenue gap and lack of confidence, is there a business plan to address this danger?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 11:12
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The obvious answer would be to do a deal with someone else - Loganair?
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Old 20th Feb 2020, 11:14
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Eastern may possibly still be onboarded with AirKiosk and may possibly be loading schedules as a contingengy... it's all sub-hosted, so very little work on their website and more for ops on the backend.
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