Thomas Cook-2

[ericlday]

From Bhx Arrivals --Ibiza Evelop EVE 1713 12:05 Expected 13:57

[howard h]

Originally Posted by ericlday

From Bhx Arrivals --Ibiza Evelop EVE 1713 12:05 Expected 13:57

Thanks - looks like the E9 on the CAA website refers to EVE. I understand that it's a Spanish charter that usually flies to Cuba and other far-away destinations.

[USERNAME_]

Originally Posted by slfsteve

While it’s not very nice what has happened it’s nice to see virgin and the Air France crew doing all they can to help get staff home

thankfully the crew safely flew home last night

[Daily Dalaman Dave]

Originally Posted by USERNAME_

thankfully the crew safely flew home last night

No they didn’t, crew still stuck in hotel in Cuba

[USERNAME_]

Originally Posted by Daily Dalaman Dave

No they didn’t, crew still stuck in hotel in Cuba

They aren’t. They flew home last night, both sets of crew.

[The AvgasDinosaur]

https://conversation.which.co.uk/tra...pporters240919
This link may help some
David

[racedo]

Originally Posted by FFMAN

Are you being serious?
How do you explain the phenomenal success of Ryanair and Wizz? or moving into other sectors, Poundland, Primark etc

In Ryanair / Wizzair case they provide something that the customer wants with lots of flexibility but also a willingness to cull routes quickly that are not working. Neither are always cheap but any addons (transportation to city / accomm etc) are paid by customer direct to the provider where Airline is only acting as the introducor. Ryanair looked at every single activity and asked the simple questions, Can we avoid doing it ? Can we charge for it ? Can we make it more steamlined ?

TC had hundreds of shops with Rent / Rates / Utilities / Staff / Computers / Furniture etc etc so basically before they make a single penny on a holiday they would need to be able to pay for I reckon £3-400k cost minimum in every one of those shops. In an era where 90% of people have home computers / tablets / smart phones it is outdated.

In relation to Poundland / Primark, people always looking for cheaper and happy to buy something that costs next to nothing in one of these shops even knowing they are made by people paid just above slave labour wages around the world.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by Blackfriar

I sincerely hope you never travel on a bus or train as I'm sure many of their drivers are under immense pressure at some time or another, professional or personal. I'm not calling pilots drivers but I think if they are so frail that impending redundancy makes them dangerous then they shouldn't be flying at all - what about their impending medical or sim test? Or their impending divorce or recent bereavement?

Likely I already have and likely I will again.

Insurance companies assess the risk even bigger than anything I would have said and bearing in mind the Germanwings Fl9525 and MH370 the risk is one they would rather avoid. Don't confuse it as being a personal slight on them as in all likelihood I will be flown by pilots in the future who are ex TC, the pragmatic approach is to avoid the personal stuff in a bad situation.

[racedo]

Originally Posted by slfsteve

While it’s not very nice what has happened it’s nice to see virgin and the Air France crew doing all they can to help get staff home

Pretty much all airlines will do it for crew members of another airline that folds if they can. There won't be an "official" policy because there cannot be but where space available they will do what they can. Aircrew you help may be a colleague in a month or two.

Old neighbour was a FO, stranded in Spain when airline went, Easyjet looked after him, well aircrew did as they had no guidance, Captain decided he was taking him and some of the cabin crew, Ryanair took others into Stansted. He joined Easyjet couple of months after. He flew as FO with the guy who brought him back and said Captain got queried as to number of NonRev passengers and put on report at base by jonny jobsworth. Report went to next level a senior pilot just scrawled "Well done that guy, great call, credit to us, pass on my personal congrats on doing the right thing" and sent it back.

[pholling]

Originally Posted by pamann

Agreed. They would have been all over those Monarch slots if they’d wanted to launch Gatwick.

The MT slots will more than likely go to EZY or BA.

Don’t underestimate the new VS/Connect combo. This didn’t exist when Monarch folded. VS is also in a much better place from an equity point of view with much bigger backers if push came to shove. Of course they probably wouldn’t be willing to pay over the odds on the slots, but BA and U2 won’t get them on the cheap.

[sparkie320]

Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks

[LiamNCL]

Originally Posted by sparkie320

Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks

https://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fl...irlines_uk.htm

All parked up aircraft are listed here at their parked location

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by sparkie320

Hope ok to ask this but are all the aircraft back in the uk
according to Flight Radar the following return flights not known if someone could fill in the gaps would be good help
G-NIKO MT1160 LGW-KGS no return data
G-TCDJ MT946 BHX-AYT
G-TCDN MT490 NCL-DLM
G-TCDX MT862 LGW-AYT
G-TCDY MT1716 LGW-JMK
OY-VKF MT2866 MAN-JFK
if anyone got landing times back would be great help
many thanks

At least some of the above are now showing on FR24, so probably worth another check. Ignore any status of "Canceled" [sic] if you see a blue playback button next to the flight.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-niko#2234bcf4
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-tcdj#2234943c

[CabinCrewe]

The MH A380 doing some rotations ex-GLA, so its A380 capable status has been useful. Interesting just as the EK A380 season comes to a close in a few weeks.

[Charley B]

Think 9H-MIP ..the Hi Fly 380 is on its way down to LPA from LGW empty,..and due to depart there later destination GLA .5M1129 is flight no x

[LiamNCL]

British Airways helping out tomorrow operating CFU-NCL as BA1627

[Grahamy]

Originally Posted by LiamNCL

British Airways helping out tomorrow operating CFU-NCL as BA1627

After being delayed in Corfu its currently on the ground in Munich.

[oldart]

I read somewhere that the government were footing the bill for getting Thomas Cook customers back home. However I am aware that when bookings were made and a ATOL certificate was issued, there was a small charge made for this. Where did that money go, does anybody know?

[Grahamy]

Originally Posted by oldart

I read somewhere that the government were footing the bill for getting Thomas Cook customers back home. However I am aware that when bookings were made and a ATOL certificate was issued, there was a small charge made for this. Where did that money go, does anybody know?

Funding and administration

ATOL is run by the UK Civil Aviation Authority (CAA). It is able to provide assistance by requiring ATOL holders to pay a fee of £2.50 for each traveller, which is held in a fund managed by the Air Travel Trust. This fund is used to refund, repatriate or reimburse travellers for the cost of repaying for the affected parts of their trip.

This money creates a fund that will support consumers to minimise disruption to their holiday or, if they are no longer able to travel, provide a full refund for the holiday.

[oldart]

Grahamy, thank you for your reply. There are all kinds of cost's being given to repatriate travellers, then there is the unknown cost of refunds. Would there be sufficient money in the ATOL pot to cover all of this or would indeed the government have to dig in to tax payers pockets?