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This may be a cretinously stupid question, but it's occurred to me before when an operator has gone under.
Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing?
I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it.
Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals.
Why could the government not effectively nationalise the company, temporarily, for a couple of weeks? Take the AOC & OL into government hands, pay the bills, commandeer the planes, and continue to operate the thing on a one-way basis, flying out empty, bringing customers home roughly on schedule? The planes are there, the crews are there and know the routes, would that not be more efficient and convenient than an ad hoc charter and repatriation operation? An orderly wind-down of flying operations, underwritten by government, rather than a hard ground stop with all these TCX aircraft sitting around doing nothing?
I mean there must be a reason it isn't done, but as an aviating kind of guy rather than management or bean counter, I can't see it.
Sympathy to all the TCX guys & gals.
However legally I guess it can’t happen
Thomas Cook Scandinavia already stopped ops minutes ago... (unsure for how long, temporarily or definitely) 😔 Sad indeed...that Viking callsign remained for decades since the good old days of scanair and premiair
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/th...-efter-kollaps
https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/indland/th...-efter-kollaps
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Well done to all crews that have operated not just tonight but also the build up over the weekend to the mornings sad news. You are all professionals to the end. Many people can learn a lot from you all. It goes without saying we wish you all the best in difficult times.
what a fantastic idea! everything is in place. Keep it simply for operations only, no admin work. They would be quarantined their salaries and less chance of bailing. Treat it as a charter by the government. Hell of a lot cheaper. Cover salaries for those redundant for as long as ops happening. Then grant the working crew/staff and equal amount of paid time off
However legally I guess it can’t happen
However legally I guess it can’t happen
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Well that makes it 3 in 3 years for me, think I might be a bad luck charm, I think I’m going to hang the wings up and call it a day on the flying career for a while.
It’s been an absolute pleasure working for Thomas Cook and I loved every minute, was painful saying goodbye to all my colleagues this morning but onwards and upwards.
Glad condor has made it, so we can see the sunny heart still flying.
It’s been an absolute pleasure working for Thomas Cook and I loved every minute, was painful saying goodbye to all my colleagues this morning but onwards and upwards.
Glad condor has made it, so we can see the sunny heart still flying.
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Well that makes it 3 in 3 years for me, think I might be a bad luck charm, I think I’m going to hang the wings up and call it a day on the flying career for a while.
It’s been an absolute pleasure working for Thomas Cook and I loved every minute, was painful saying goodbye to all my colleagues this morning but onwards and upwards.
Glad condor has made it, so we can see the sunny heart still flying.
It’s been an absolute pleasure working for Thomas Cook and I loved every minute, was painful saying goodbye to all my colleagues this morning but onwards and upwards.
Glad condor has made it, so we can see the sunny heart still flying.
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Who would have thought it possible..... if you told someone back in 2010 that,
TC
BMI
Monarch
Would all be gone by 2019, they would have laughed at you.
Sad times.
Only just recovering myself from the last great redundancy.
absolute best wishes to everyone now looking for work.
RG.
TC
BMI
Monarch
Would all be gone by 2019, they would have laughed at you.
Sad times.
Only just recovering myself from the last great redundancy.
absolute best wishes to everyone now looking for work.
RG.
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Another issue really is where that would lead Condor to as their fleet renewal is long overdue as most of their fleet is more or less scrap metal value except for some newer A321-200s
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My thoughts are with all the staff across the entire group, none of this is their fault. If any Thomas Cook Airlines employees are reading this, I wish you good luck and hope you find new jobs very soon.
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what a fantastic idea! everything is in place. Keep it simply for operations only, no admin work. They would be quarantined their salaries and less chance of bailing. Treat it as a charter by the government. Hell of a lot cheaper. Cover salaries for those redundant for as long as ops happening. Then grant the working crew/staff and equal amount of paid time off
However legally I guess it can’t happen
However legally I guess it can’t happen
Legally and practically. The big problem is that there will be many many suppliers who haven't been paid, quite possibly for months, airports, hotels, coaches, taxis, etc. Any attempt to run the repatriation as "Thomas Cook" (or even a related entity) risks those suppliers taking legal or practical action to get paid (aircraft impounded, tourists held hostage - all already happening), whether legally entitled to payment or not, the total cost of doing that will be completely unknown - even if you went through all the accounts there is a big chance the figures are at best inaccurate, dying companies are not famed for accurate accounting.
I'll bet that many of the people actually doing the repatriation (in all roles) will be ex-Thomas Cook, but now working on temp contracts for a different entity to clearly separate them from the corporate corpse of TC as it crashes and burns. That's the way you want it, honestly it's better for everyone that way - let the administrators deal with the fallout, they get paid for it (always). The aircraft will be different because it takes too long the re-register and re-paint them, assuming you can get them un-impounded.
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Condor CEO has said that they have enough cash on their hands to continue for the time being and are negotiating for a state-guaranteed credit. Not sure if in times of flight shame and climate strike politicians will be inclined to do so.
Another issue really is where that would lead Condor to as their fleet renewal is long overdue as most of their fleet is more or less scrap metal value except for some newer A321-200s
Another issue really is where that would lead Condor to as their fleet renewal is long overdue as most of their fleet is more or less scrap metal value except for some newer A321-200s
You're right though about the Condor fleet. The 767's are old and I'm not sure what the status is with the ownership/leases of the narrowbodies. A widebody renewal programme will be needed in the short-to-medium term if Condor ultimately survives, which won't be cheap.
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