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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:33
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Just re-watching Raab on the BBC's Marr this morning replayed by Sky News and he seemed to imply that were TCX to fail, there'd be a difference in the treatment between ATOL protected (package) and non-ATOL (flight only) customers, and he said the govt "had learned lessons" from the Monarch experience. This might mean that non-ATOL protected customers would have to find their own way home and claim on travel insurance. With the Monarch collapse the travel insurers got off lightly in terms of repatriation costs as the govt paid for non-ATOL repatriates - perhaps it's a case of once bitten twice shy (govt is still chasing the Monarch repatriation costs from their creditors (Greybull) I believe).

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:35
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I was heavily involved with our new STN and BHX bases, an integral part of our product is to give package holiday makers free baggage allowance of 23kg, you would be amazed how many customers came over to us from airlines that started charging for baggage, what I’m saying is there is a big gap in the marked for a “Premium Charter Airline” where you get everything but you also pay for it in the ticket price, There is always two ends to a piece of string, not everyone has a tight budget.
remeber Britannia Royal class it had a reputation or class within the carter world and that’s what’s now missing from the current offering, people will pay more even if they only get a Gold luggage name tag for their bag and a gold sign above check in I would go as far as say it’s a class thing with a stereotypical passenger like mrs Bucket.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:39
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Sleepless night for all involved I think. When can we expect an announcement to come?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:39
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Gatwick slots have a huge value, recently Norwegian raised $380m as as part of an exchange package to delay repayment of unsecured bonds. The UK arm of Thomas Cook clearly has some value, as I believe that 9, possibly more airframes are Gatwick based?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:49
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daz211....I hear what you're saying but I think the size of market is very small. GB airways and Monarch both offered exactly what you say but as time went on and Easyjet/Ryan et al became bigger and bigger the price differential that they were able to command over them became smaller and smaller. At the end of the day price is king to the consumer despite what they may say. What they do is vote with their wallets.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:54
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Sleepless night for all involved I think. When can we expect an announcement to come?
According to somebody in crewing, between 0300/0430 is when all aircraft are back in the U.K./Enroute back so I imagine between those times.

Just arrived in the crewroom for DLM tonight and everything seems to be going as planned, flight crew seem confident we will depart.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:58
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According to somebody in crewing, between 0300/0430 is when all aircraft are back in the U.K./Enroute back so I imagine between those times.

Just arrived in the crewroom for DLM tonight and everything seems to be going as planned, flight crew seem confident we will depart.
Thanks for the info. Good luck all.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:59
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Originally Posted by TartinTon
daz211....I hear what you're saying but I think the size of market is very small. GB airways and Monarch both offered exactly what you say but as time went on and Easyjet/Ryan et al became bigger and bigger the price differential that they were able to command over them became smaller and smaller. At the end of the day price is king to the consumer despite what they may say. What they do is vote with their wallets.
Yes the market is small but if your the only airline doing it you don’t need a massive market.
Thomas cook need something new and something exiting to bring to the market, just following the market leaders just won’t cut it. Massive change is needed if they get a chance to carry on.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:07
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The Long Haul Aircraft won't be back in the UK until 6.00 at the earliest, but will of course be en-route
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:09
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Originally Posted by AlanSinfield
The Long Haul Aircraft won't be back in the UK until 6.00 at the earliest, but will of course be en-route
I believe the Dalaman that @USERNAME_ is flying on is actually the last back, at 7am local. So an announcement between 3/4:30 would sound about right as they will all be on their way home. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, if the Dalaman departs then it’s a good sign as if you think back 2 years, Monarch cancelled all of the night flights last minute.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:10
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I’m feeling so much for each and everyone of you employees.
The press are hell bent on telling us how it affects Kev and Tracy’s Magaluf holiday . But we professionals know it’s families that will suffer.

This isn’t a sales pitch , but my employer will be glad to hear from you. PM me and i’ll gladly pass on to the best person should the worst happen.

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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:17
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled


I believe the Dalaman that @USERNAME_ is flying on is actually the last back, at 7am local. So an announcement between 3/4:30 would sound about right as they will all be on their way home. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, if the Dalaman departs then it’s a good sign as if you think back 2 years, Monarch cancelled all of the night flights last minute.
According to TCX website and Gatwick airport website this DLM has been delayed until tomorrow afternoon, it's not going tonight..
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:18
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:19
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled


I believe the Dalaman that @USERNAME_ is flying on is actually the last back, at 7am local. So an announcement between 3/4:30 would sound about right as they will all be on their way home. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, if the Dalaman departs then it’s a good sign as if you think back 2 years, Monarch cancelled all of the night flights last minute.
I assume this is the LGW flight? This is now showing a departure tomorrow at 17.30 according to the TCX and LGW websites.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:19
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I know that the Jet2 TR courses starting from Jan 2020 are mostly wide open and they are running two to three a month that time of the year, (both fleets) scant consolation I know but for those desperate for a UK base it is a good option, particularly for FOs. We have quite a few very happy ex Monarch here at the moment. Best of luck to all involved.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:20
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Originally Posted by daz211
what I’m saying is there is a big gap in the marked for a “Premium Charter Airline” where you get everything but you also pay for it in the ticket price, There is always two ends to a piece of string, not everyone has a tight budget.
I don’t believe there is. Isn’t this essentially what BA have tried with their weekend CityFlyer operation, offering both full Business Class and Economy with free drink/snack from the regions? It seems to tick over OK from MAN and STN (although scaled back compared to previous years) but got pulled from BHX and BRS.

Also the key London market is covered in that respect by BA, with extensive leisure route network from LGW which offers Club Europe along with some routes at LHR, LCY and the weekend STN mentioned above.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:22
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Originally Posted by 33percentlonger
I assume this is the LGW flight? This is now showing a departure tomorrow at 17.30 according to the TCX and LGW websites.

see usernames post above.

Hate to see it it end this way.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:24
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The Long Haul Flights into Manchester are due to arrive as follows
Las Vegas 07:50
Cancun 07:10
Orlando 07:35
Orlando 08:35
New York 09:55
and Gatwick
Cayo Coco 06:20
and Glasgow
Orlando 06:10
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:26
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled



see usernames post above.

Hate to see it it end this way.
Apologies, I was writing as the message came in. Feeling sick for everyone now.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 19:27
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So sorry Username....for you and all your colleagues ��

Thinking of you all xx
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