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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:47
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At the end of day the CAA can organise as many aircraft as they wish to be on standby itís not going to influence the outcome of the talks today and only means the CAA are prepared for the worse IF it occurs
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:48
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Originally Posted by CEJM View Post
Doc Q, why do you have to resort to insults? The only one calling other posters a moron or pr*ck is you. It fair enough that you donít agree with their opinion but does it really warrant calling people names on an anonymous forum?

If you really want to be such a ĎBig Boyí then call people morons or pr*cks whilst posting under your real name!
Yes your right ....Post amended
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:50
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Doc Q, thank you!

If you got any skin in this game then I feel for you and all your colleagues.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:54
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There is no need for name calling and arguing, an opinion is an opinion and we all have them, if you don’t like someone’s opinion don’t forget they are entitled to have one.

what we all need to remember, emotions are high and for good reason but nothing said, true or not on this site will change the outcome of this situation.

also worth say, our friendly plane enthusiast have more information than us in the business sometimes, so let’s all calm down a bit and have some self respect and be respectful to others.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 16:55
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Testing times for all , however i really do think a last minute reprieve is on the cards
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:13
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Testing times for all , however i really do think a last minute reprieve is on the cards
I truly hope so but with that, changes will have to made and fast, drastic changes and a total overhaul of the company will be the only way Thomas Cook wonít find itself in the same predicament this time next year or sooner.

What is actually owned, airframe wise by Thomas Cook?
Could a quick fire sale of some metal not save the day ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:25
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If I may, rather than posting unfounded rumours or opinions why not check in with friends, colleagues or mates who work for Thomas Cook. Take them out for a beer, a meal, just ring them for a chat. It wonít make one jot of difference to the survival or not of the company (just like posting on here wonít) but at least it will show that you care and it might help take their mind of things for an hour or two.

Just try try and by human.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:27
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2 x 321's and 3 x 330's are owned on the British register. Unsure of the scandinavian aircraft. Could VS possibly be interested in the LH ops, certainly out of MAN where routes are duplicated ? Remove competition and grow some ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 17:35
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Of course the CAA etc will have made plans after all it is there job to be prepared as it`s peoples lives and careers, if they hadn`t it would be very remiss of them
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:09
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If the MH A380 and 3x 767s are all the CAA has currently on it's way/in place, then it's a pretty meagre effort thus far. The majority of the typical wet-lease operators are flat out covering Boeing and RR's incompetence, there isn't much spare capacity lying around in Europe. Bar Jet2, the operators listed above won't be of much use either.

For the sake of the industry, let's hope a positive outcome is found at the 11th hour tonight. Hundreds of type rated pilots out of work isn't good for anyone.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:13
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So let’s say it all work out again this time round, how does Thomas Cook move on and restructure or even rebrand? As we all know in this industry once someone finds something that works most airlines try and follow closely, causing saturation and price wars in the industry.

Whats missing from the short to medium Holiday market ?

In my opinion the industry could do with an Airline / Tour Operator that is so different to all the others and provide everything with one price no additional cost.

Free baggage
Free food
Free seats

This wouldn’t mean sky high fares it would just be a simple easy use booking, once all the add on have be totalled up with other airlines the cost is way more that at first shown, so why not just provide a simple honest product.
I know lots of people that would find it very desirable.
Back to basics destination wise, popular Med and if longhaul is involved, Orlando and Vegas.

Also I think the Thomas Cook brand has been damaged to a point that a rebrand of Airtours International wouldn’t be a bad thing.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:15
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The meeting has ended in London, there is a video on twitter of everyone leaving.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:18
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Originally Posted by toledoashley View Post
The meeting has ended in London, there is a video on twitter of everyone leaving.
Frankhauser looked red eyed almost like heís been crying. Itís genuinely distressing to watch, I tip my hat to the TC Management who have fought day and night for the survival of the company.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:28
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This wouldnít mean sky high fares
It would, and there lies the problem. People don't want meals if they have to pay for them (i think the percentage of selected pre paid meals is actually quite low), so why give them away for nothing. People now cope with less luggage, so why go back to old times.
An everything free airline would be niche and not be suitable for the stack em high charter types.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:29
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Originally Posted by nowhereasfiled View Post


Frankhauser looked red eyed almost like heís been crying. Itís genuinely distressing to watch, I tip my hat to the TC Management who have fought day and night for the survival of the company.
I agree hats off to them for fighting, the only issue I have with the management is the fight and change should have started 2-3 years ago, fingers crossed for the future and the outcome of the meeting today.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:31
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Well.

Lets hope there isn't to be an aerial convoy from Qatar tonight.

Fingers crossed for everyone.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:32
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Originally Posted by daz211 View Post
So letís say it all work out again this time round, how does Thomas Cook move on and restructure or even rebrand?
I'd have a good long look at the success that is Jet2, they getting most things right and people love it.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:41
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​Also I think the Thomas Cook brand has been damaged to a point that a rebrand of Airtours International wouldnít be a bad thing.​​​​​​
Reading today's Sunday Telegraph that would be a death knell. The race to the bottom of the bucket and spade market robbed Thomas Cook of its heritage as an up market agency since replaced by Kuoni, Audley Travel, Trailfinders et al.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:44
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount View Post

It would, and there lies the problem. People don't want meals if they have to pay for them (i think the percentage of selected pre paid meals is actually quite low), so why give them away for nothing. People now cope with less luggage, so why go back to old times.
An everything free airline would be niche and not be suitable for the stack em high charter types.
I disagree, the average spend on trolly food / snack is £18 per passenger per sector and it was evident that people payed for snack because food was not available or they didnít think in advance to book it.
just add it all to the ticket / holiday price you will still sell snacks and make profits on the food service.

It would need a very structured and clear advertising campaign but I strongly believe and have see strong evidence that people would love a one price all including Airline infact my Airline almost went down this route.

If your the only airline offering this when all others are fighting each other for bums on seats with the same product there is enough out there to fill seats on an airline that offers more.
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Old 22nd Sep 2019, 18:45
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One's tempted to suggest that the body language & demeanour of the Thomas Cook boss, Peter Fankhauser, speaks volumes. He certainly doesn't seem to be leaving that crucial meeting with a hop, skip & jump in is step, or neither a big smile upon his face: https://tinyurl.com/y4oat4vv
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