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Am I reading this right, is Westjet applying for 56 slots at LHR ?
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...Report-NEW.pdf
https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...Report-NEW.pdf
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Any news on when Heathrow will go back to two runway ops? The NOTAM for single runway ops expires at 2359 on Tuesday and whilst there's been a trickle of new passenger services, daily movements are still below 300.
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Pre-COVID, Gatwick was averaging around 750 movements per day on its single runway, so I think there's a long way to go before Heathrow needs to reinstate dual-runway operations.
Is there (these days) any possible good reason for aircraft to arrive in the Heathrow area so long before 06:00 that they need to hold? Today there was an AA 777 holding at 05:30, joined by two BA examples that took a long route to finals and a QR A350 that did one quick circuit. It must cost the airlines money to keep planes and crew in the air for an extra 30 minutes, and I cannot believe it's beyond the competence of an airline operations dept or pilot to arrive within an airport's opening hours.
I see no option but to assume it's a deliberate choice by someone. But why?
I see no option but to assume it's a deliberate choice by someone. But why?
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Is there (these days) any possible good reason for aircraft to arrive in the Heathrow area so long before 06:00 that they need to hold? Today there was an AA 777 holding at 05:30, joined by two BA examples that took a long route to finals and a QR A350 that did one quick circuit. It must cost the airlines money to keep planes and crew in the air for an extra 30 minutes, and I cannot believe it's beyond the competence of an airline operations dept or pilot to arrive within an airport's opening hours.
I see no option but to assume it's a deliberate choice by someone. But why?
I see no option but to assume it's a deliberate choice by someone. But why?
If you drive non stop from Scotland to London it would be hard to arrive bang on time .
It depends on the winds, in some months the jetstream tailwinds can be wild, the eastbound aircraft can arrive an hour early at destination. Pootling along with a slower airspeed just slows everyone else done which in busy congestedd airspace doesn’t help. The other option of blocking a gate for an hour or sitting on a remote stand while staff wait around is also not ideal. They can come back on the speed once in controlled airspace beyond the oceanic area, but there are a whole load of variables. It’s genuinely not as simple as there’s a lot of other slots and airspace permissions to take into account as well as departing too late may mean the meal service is horribly out of sync with body clocks.
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Is there (these days) any possible good reason for aircraft to arrive in the Heathrow area so long before 06:00 that they need to hold? Today there was an AA 777 holding at 05:30, joined by two BA examples that took a long route to finals and a QR A350 that did one quick circuit. It must cost the airlines money to keep planes and crew in the air for an extra 30 minutes, and I cannot believe it's beyond the competence of an airline operations dept or pilot to arrive within an airport's opening hours.
That said, there have been plenty of instances of flights with an STA after 06:00 having been allowed to land early in recent years, so I don't know what determines the decision on an individual flight basis.
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I'm told that the criterion is when daily movements get to around 600, so a bit more than double the current volume. It will be interesting to see if that's achieved in the next 3 weeks.
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Still awaiting a decision on whether they are going to resurface the southern runway in which case it will be a couple of months.
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The runways have been resurfaced many times over the years - at night, in stages, and without disrupting daytime runway use.
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Because they are considering doing it all in 1 go rather than the usual overnight resurfacing. If they decide to do it we will be SRO until October. It should be confirmed during the next week.
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If they decide to do it we will be SRO until October.
It should be confirmed during the next week.
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We have only been informed of the possibility of resurfacing the southern. I agree they should’ve thought about this earlier. It could’ve been done and reopen by now if they were really on the ball.
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Personally, I don't think there is any way that Heathrow can continue with single runway operations until October. Traffic is starting to pick up, as has been commented on by others, and current slot projections suggest the airport will be handling more than 600 daily flights before the end of August. Of course the situation is still very fluid, and there is no guarantee that operators' current plans will come to fruition, but it would be a big gamble to commit to an extended period of single runway operations just as the recovery is gathering pace. No airport, even Heathrow, wants to find itself in a position where it is turning away traffic because it is unable to meet demand.
With British Airways consolidating all of their European operations at Heathrow until the end of the summer and several other carriers that normally operate to Gatwick securing Heathrow slots, I suspect assurances may have already been given to airlines that both runways will be available for the remainder of the summer season once traffic has reached a certain level.
I can understand why such an idea was under consideration when traffic collapsed in late March and early April, but I think that boat has already sailed.
With British Airways consolidating all of their European operations at Heathrow until the end of the summer and several other carriers that normally operate to Gatwick securing Heathrow slots, I suspect assurances may have already been given to airlines that both runways will be available for the remainder of the summer season once traffic has reached a certain level.
I can understand why such an idea was under consideration when traffic collapsed in late March and early April, but I think that boat has already sailed.
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I've heard it's not total resurfacing of 09R/27L but strengthening some areas which needs deeper construction which can't be done during normal overnight closures hence possible total closure until October.. If traffic movements increase requiring dual runway operations then the works will be adjusted to accommodate.
To be honest this isn’t really a ringing endorsement - LGW in summer is a mess with delays; I can’t help think what EZY think of it.
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Singly runway isn't about safety it's about saving money.
Out of 5000 staff nearly 1800 could be chopped
That's enormous.
A second runway needs fire, cover, ATC etc if they can get away with one runway like Manchester they will.
I predict some airports will close within 12 months if things don't pick up.
Many pax who are travelling now are simply using vouchers they were given to forestall refunds been given out.
The acid test will be quantifying what new money is coming in and whether people are travelling ?
Awful.
Out of 5000 staff nearly 1800 could be chopped
That's enormous.
A second runway needs fire, cover, ATC etc if they can get away with one runway like Manchester they will.
I predict some airports will close within 12 months if things don't pick up.
Many pax who are travelling now are simply using vouchers they were given to forestall refunds been given out.
The acid test will be quantifying what new money is coming in and whether people are travelling ?
Awful.
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To be fair it’s EZY that create most of the mess at LGW in the middle of summer. I agree with your point though - 750 movements a day is 24/7 operation, taxying times often over half an hour and holding patterns almost all day. Operators at LHR will want that second runway open well before they reach 45% of normal capacity.
