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Old 12th Apr 2020, 16:31
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
That's partly true.

But that doesn't explain, for example, continuing services on UK domestic routes connecting LHR to Manchester, Glasgow, Edinburgh, Aberdeen, etc.
Theyre still carrying lots of cargo too.

but I don’t see any issue in domestic travel still either.
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Old 12th Apr 2020, 16:31
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian
If stopping flights will have zero effect, why don't they just tell all UK based airlines to start flying again?
The airlines that have stopped flying have mostly done so because there isn't enough demand to operate flights profitably, not because they've been told to.
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Headline in the Telegraph shoes what a lucky escape the taxpayer had with the canning of runway 3.

These clowns wanted billions in taxpayer subsidies to prop up the supporting road and rall infrastructure but are happy to give away millions in dividends to foriegn shareholders.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tion-industry/
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Headline in the Telegraph shoes what a lucky escape the taxpayer had with the canning of runway 3.

These clowns wanted billions in taxpayer subsidies to prop up the supporting road and rall infrastructure but are happy to give away millions in dividends to foriegn shareholders.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business...tion-industry/
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The Board have not quite got the hang of the words 'Unprecedented times in the life of aviation'. Other companies have backed off from paying dividends. As I have said in other threads, these (so-called) managers are using their standard playbook. The only problem being that is a 20th Century playbook ...

As many of us have said, R3 is toast. I had never imagined that this would be the reason for it not happening but it was clear that it was not going to get built.
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As many of us have said, R3 is toast. I had never imagined that this would be the reason for it not happening but it was clear that it was not going to get built.
I wouldn't be so sure. With a recession on the way the government may look at big infrastructure projects like that to try and stimulate the economy.
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Old 13th Apr 2020, 22:34
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Originally Posted by Nostoodian
If UK is officially under lockdown, why the hell are there so many flights still arriving/departing out of Heathrow? Surely, this cannot be helping in containing the virus? Your thoughts?
LHR still handling approx 150 flights daily at the moment which represents about 25% of flights into/out of the UK currently. Plenty of pax arriving/departing, however cargo is at the forefront and seats can be loaded with packages as well as pax, but the real value is what those aircraft have in the holds.
Lots of flights still operating between UK islands/mainland as well as these are considered to be strategically critical routes for the movement of pax and goods. Flights still operating into/out of LGW, MAN, EMA, STN, LTN, SOU, FAB, BQH, EDI, GLA, DSA, BHX,NQY, PIK to name a few.

Pax arriving are expected to quarantine themselves for 14 days regardless of having symptoms or not, whilst maintaining social distancing once disembarked. Some Pax are tested on departure from their departure point, none are tested upon arrival, but if they follow regulations it restricts further spread. You have to rely on people being accountable for themselves to protect others. Testing on arrival would do little to change anything due CV19 taking 5 days to incubate.

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R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken.

It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
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Originally Posted by EXEL1966
R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken. It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
The country is taking on gazillions in more debt - this will last for years (and don't forget that there will be a lot more money long term for things like the NHS as well). Any Govt will be looking to cut other expenditures - HS2 and R3 are obvious targets. R3 especially as it will be several years before we get anywhere near 2019 passenger numbers and movements. If the Govt don't stop it the anti-s will go back to the courts on the basis that everything has changed and all the old traffic forecasts are now total rubbish (which is correct).

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Originally Posted by Asturias56
The country is taking on gazillions in more debt - this will last for years (and don't forget that there will be a lot more money long term for things like the NHS as well). Any Govt will be looking to cut other expenditures - HS2 and R3 are obvious targets. R3 especially as it will be several years before we get anywhere near 2019 passenger numbers and movements. If the Govt don't stop it the anti-s will go back to the courts on the basis that everything has changed and all the old traffic forecasts are now total rubbish (which is correct).
It won't be necessarily about expenditure. Those types of projects the costs can be spread over decades especially if they issue bonds to pay for them. The government may well view R3 and HS2 as big enough infrastructure projects to go ahead to help stimulate the economic growth so I wouldn't write either off from happening.
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...overnment-says
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South African Airways

Who owns the slot SAA use for the daily flight to/from Johannesburg ? SAA or is it leased ? Presumably the receiver has several months to sell the slots before they go back in the pot for random redistribution
Any thoughts on likely bidders ?
Is this the first LHR slot sale since the collapse in flying demand ?
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Old 26th Apr 2020, 17:01
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Originally Posted by EXEL1966
R3 is NOT toast, it will still happen, albeit with a much delayed schedule. The future economy will need it even more so now.

Those who thought it wouldn't happen even before CV19 appeared were and still are very mistaken.

It's a battle won for the 'Greens' ..........................for now!
This is not another standard recession - this is going to be the Second Great Depression. We have at least a full decade, possibly longer, of low growth. The time for R3 was last century.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 11:13
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Heathrow will be full again ASAP, just at the expense of the other London airports. The London market will be badly down overall but I suspect many will try LHR.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 12:29
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
Heathrow will be full again ASAP, just at the expense of the other London airports. The London market will be badly down overall but I suspect many will try LHR.
I suspect you are correct.

Though that prompts the question of whether the Government will continue to support LHR expansion, given the prospect of both LGW and STN operating at way under capacity for the foreseeable future.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 14:06
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Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
I suspect you are correct.

Though that prompts the question of whether the Government will continue to support LHR expansion, given the prospect of both LGW and STN operating at way under capacity for the foreseeable future.
I don't think the Govt will fancy spending billions on the R3 expansion project and its associated works...............
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 20:05
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Yes, LHR will always have the traffic and Yes the 3rd would be nice but, irrespective of the Green issue, no gov wanted to fight to spend money on LHR. It was an easy battle to give away. Having privatised the airports, it would be highly problematic to feed more money into them given the new Depression.
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Old 27th Apr 2020, 20:08
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I don't think the Govt will fancy spending billions on the R3 expansion project and its associated works...............
It wasn't going to anyway....privately funded I thought?
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Old 28th Apr 2020, 08:06
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It wasn't going to anyway....privately funded I thought?
ah but that didn't include the cash to re-route the M25 and M-4 etc etc - that was going to be a Govt cost - as was the new railway line and mitigation of increased noise and pollution
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What will be the effect of the BA news this evening on Heathrow’s future business plan?
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