Heathrow-2

[Trinity 09L]

Heathrow announce yet more consultations (roadshows), and delays to submission of DCO to later this year

https://mediacentre.heathrow.com/pre...-News-23/11951

[PAXboy]

Thanks. I knew the connection was free - it's a bout trying to save time after 12 hours overnight!

[Navpi]

Great news... looks like HAL are going bear the full cost of expansion according last nights Evening Standard.

No problem with that if they want the go ahead from me,.

Thst said I'm slightly baffled as to why its part of a review of Government spend ......

If there is NO government spend ???????????


"No 10 last night doused media speculation that Mr Johnson could axe the scheme as part of a Cabinet review of “sacred cows” and wasteful spending. A spokesman said Heathrow expansion involved no public spending."


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sta...541.html%3famp

[PAXboy]

Regarding the expansion. The article says:

Transport Secretary Grant Shapps will begin making a decision later this year on whether to grant a Development Consent Order, the final hurdle in the way of enlarging Europe’s busiest airport. The decision-making process will take up to 18 months, the Transport Department said.

So that's back into the long grass then He could 'start' to make a decision in Dec 2020 and might have an answer by summer 22. However, if he gest replaced during that time, then the new person will be given time to get up to speed.

As I have said before, ain't going to happen.

Regarding my parking question:
I held off phoning the expensive LHR enquiry line and investigated the Northern Perimiter Road by G maps.

The answer is that the Business park for T2+3 is immediately adjacent to Long term T5 (NOT Pod parking) and, further, there is no fence between the zones as they share an exit. So I can book and park in the T5 section and take their bus. On the return, take the Biz Park bus from T3. Hopefully that will be 'simples'.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...rom-june-2020/

Capacity to Beijing really being ramped up now as China Southern join Air China on Beijing-London, ending the one route, one operator policy.

[bcn_boy]

Southern versus northern runway

This week all arrivals up to 3pm are
meant to be on the southern runway at LHR. Any ideas why aircraft were landing on the northern runway from 5am onwards?

[awwdabaaby]

Originally Posted by bcn_boy

This week all arrivals up to 3pm are
meant to be on the southern runway at LHR. Any ideas why aircraft were landing on the northern runway from 5am onwards?

I think it's to reduce noise to local residents

[bcn_boy]

Originally Posted by awwdabaaby

I think it's to reduce noise to local residents

yes, the runway alternation is reduce noise for residents but as it is designated as the southern runway for this week, why were they landing on the north so early?

[flyerguy]

Originally Posted by bcn_boy

yes, the runway alternation is reduce noise for residents but as it is designated as the southern runway for this week, why were they landing on the north so early?

During the early hours, both runways are used for arrivals.

[c52]

Surely it still changes every 24 hours at 1500 but only when on westerlies. It has done the last few times I've been spending the day in W London.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by bcn_boy

Any ideas why aircraft were landing on the northern runway from 5am onwards?

Originally Posted by bcn_boy

yes, the runway alternation is reduce noise for residents but as it is designated as the southern runway for this week, why were they landing on the north so early?

At night (23:30 to 06:00) a different alternation scheme applies.

Having said that, the first landing on the northern runway this morning wasn't till 6 am, not 5 am.

[bcn_boy]

Originally Posted by DaveReidUK

At night (23:30 to 06:00) a different alternation scheme applies.

Having said that, the first landing on the northern runway this morning wasn't till 6 am, not 5 am.

I was under the impression that lhr don’t operate such a night time regime. Have looked for such info and cannot find it.

There were a number heavy arrivals on the northerly runway this morning.

[DaveReidUK]

Originally Posted by bcn_boy

I was under the impression that lhr don’t operate such a night time regime. Have looked for such info and cannot find it.

You are mistaken. See Runway Alternation Programme 2020 - Landings (Page 2 - Night-time runway alternation).

There were a number heavy arrivals on the northerly runway this morning.

Yes, I counted around 17 between 06:00 and 07:00, in addition to the simultaneous arrivals on the southern runway. Same things happens almost every day during that hour (see above link).

[bcn_boy]

Thanks for the feedback.

[DaveReidUK]

"Heathrow reports outstanding end to 2019"

https://www.heathrow.com/latest-news...ng-end-to-2019

"Our Fly Quiet and Green league tables revealed that more airlines are operating ultra-quiet and green 787s and A350s, partly in response to environmental pricing incentives."

Except that the tables don’t actually reflect that change at all - airline fleet composition makes no difference at all to the average Fly Quiet score.

Because the Fly Quiet programme score per airline is based on relative, rather than absolute performance (i.e. Airline A is better/worse than Airline B), there is no appreciable difference in the average score per airline from one quarter’s results to the next.

In fact, the average Fly Quiet score awarded by Heathrow of 752 points per airline in the most recent table is LOWER than it was when the current scheme started in 2017 (762) !

See https://www.heathrowflyquietandgreen.com/2019-qtr-3rd/

[Navpi]

https://www.cityam.com/ferrovial-add...-over-returns/

This has always been a concern. LHR is a cash cow with demand which will ALWAYS be insatiable
3rd runway will quell that demand and dilute shareholder value dramatically.

[mufc4evr]

By time the 3rd runway is built LHR will need a 4th

[VickersVicount]

interesting Norwegian have given up their recent limited LHR slot pairs.

[Letsflycwl]

Originally Posted by VickersVicount

interesting Norwegian have given up their recent limited LHR slot pairs.

Who has taken these slots instead?

[KindaUnstuck]

Originally Posted by Letsflycwl

Who has taken these slots instead?

According to someone who works at Norwegian at Gatwick, word from the Norwegian route planners is that the slots were put aside by Heathrow specifically for an Orlando service but Norwegian couldn't make it work due to their aircraft and crew situation, so LHR - MCO was never going to happen despite them getting the slots awarded.

​​​​​How true that is I can't comment, I don't have any direct or regular contact with anyone at Norwegian