Durham Tees Valley-7

[Robert-Ryan]

A little underwhelming as I too hoped for new routes, I was starting to think my co-workers had got it wrong, though they're still adamant they're coming and even the bosses at the press event today were not shying away from dropping strong hints

Amazing new website launched as well today Durham Tees Valley Airport ? Flying for the future

The PDF puts Beafer back down in the ground where he belongs, sorry pal but Peel are committed owners whether you like it or not

[highwideandugly]

Heavy bed time reading for all!!
Some impressive graphics and text!!

As expected many of the forecasts are out of date already..it’s amazing the progress some airports have made in the last 12 months.Think that portion needs updating.
However on the whole it’s a pretty good document and web site.
Now as always the proof of the pudding.....

[Robert-Ryan]

I would argue the document addresses that sufficiently, and my understanding is it's only been created in the last few weeks so out of date it most definitely is not.

What is it todays kids say? "Haters gonna hate..."

[No-More-Bullschit]

Originally Posted by Peel

Is it true that Peel got the airport for “next to nothing”?
At the point of acquisition by The Peel Group in 2003, DTVA was making a loss of circa half a million pounds per annum. In addition, the business was carrying significant historic cost burdens including large pension liabilities. This would of course be reflected in the value of the business. And the value was set by the local authorities at the time.
Airports are renowned for their large capital expenditure requirements. At DTVA, The Peel Group has invested in:
– Fire vehicles – Airfield resurfacing – Air traffic control radar enhancements – X-ray security equipment – Car park extensions and surfacing
This list is far from exhaustive. In addition to £26 million in capital investment, much of which is not necessarily obvious to the travelling public, the business has borne the entirety of the annualised financial losses creating an investment of over £36 million, relieving the local authority and taxpayer of this burden.

They definitely read this forum!

[highwideandugly]

Out of date example,only used Newcastle as nearest but forecasting today’s passenger figures as being reached in 2030!! Assume other airport figures are out.
DTV shows around 200k. While real time is down at 1972 levels 130 k. Ish...and the recent CAA stats for August and September make pretty depressing reading.

Just an example as I say ..I’m sure the majority is factually correct if it’s just been completed.

[Robert-Ryan]

Awww he thinks his posts are valid and have beaten mine, bless him

[highwideandugly]

Needs to be a sound business case to change the name back to TEESSIDE airport..eh..sorry..look at the past few years figures..sound..I think so...ok maybe not the main problem but..hey,Maybe it could help? Comon guys even the road signs haven’t changed??
It’s a tough world out there,let’s get back to basics..


Instead of spending millions on web sites,promotions,false promises....talk to the airlines...give the locals what they want..flights to Palma,Alicante et al. Take a two year loss ? on infrastructure and promotion and

flights to get back to basics?
Other airports do it so why not here..or as others have said...is there really an ulterior motive?

[No-More-Bullschit]

Highwideandugly, not entirely sure what you're going on about, as per? The name has no bearing on the level of demand that exists, websites don't cost millions and are you serious suggesting that Peel should NOT be running promotions?! And as for talking to the airlines, I bet they didn't think of that one! If they didn't talk to airlines Loganair would not be here, and clearly Robert believes more must be on the way enough for there to be some foundation to it

[highwideandugly]

Sorry it was a bit garbage having re read my post.

It states there’s must be a sound business case to change the name back to Teesside airport.
My argument meant to read surely declining passengers and movements are a good enough business case to revert to Teesside name? It obviously hasn’t worked.Yes I know that’s not the only reason but it might just help give the airport it’s identity back.

BTW you mention Loganair..have you seen some of the actual loads on these ,up to 7 flights per day..can’t see both airlines continuing next summer.
Look forward to the next route announcements..

[N707ZS]

Teesside is old and out dated, you will probably find most young people don't know what you are talking about. The whole area which was once Cleveland has been dissected into an identity farce!
Durham Tees Valley it is, unless they change it to James Cook, George Reynaulds or Chris Rea international to match the other two Peel Airports.

[EK77WNCL]

To be honest I'd much sooner go with Vic Reeves International, or perhaps "Darlington 'Chubby' Brown International"

Joking aside "Stephenson International" whilst rather vague, would be more than suitable with the region's heritage in my opinion. Or even "Stockton and Darlington International" as a throwback to the old railway company.

[highwideandugly]

I suppose unless you have the flights then the name almost becomes irrelevant.Most people know where they need to go and will request through their travel agent or Sus out on the computer.
Chicken and egg,provide the flights and they will come( and go)?

[Plane.Silly]

Beafer, 4 posts in a row, 3 of which have outdated links? i know you've got an agenda going on, but you might want to calm down a bit

[N707ZS]

Dog must be sick or his wise has left him!

[VentureGo]

Beafer - I am no supporter of Peel and their methods either, but you seriously need to be careful with some of your comments in your posts (#129,#130,#131 etc..) You could still be prosecuted if your comments are deemed defamatory against individuals, organisations, companies etc... Be responsible and careful with comments.

[N707ZS]

VentureGo, think he's finally flipped!

[Robert-Ryan]

Nothing more than spam. Mods please could you intervene again?

To coin another phrase - he who shouts loudest has lost

[Robert-Ryan]

and held responsible for actions

I think that's the key, people think Peel need holding responsible but they do not, that's why they've felt a need to release yesterdays godsend PDF document in the first place

[SWBKCB]

godsend PDF document

I've generally been supportive of the masterplan, believing that Liverpool is a better example of what Peel can do at an airport than Sheffield City which oftern gets quoted - mind you Peel can make it hard work at times and there's the usual gems in the document...

Peel has only ever been interested in the land and has deliberately driven the passenger traffic down to build houses on the runway. Is it true Peel will make millions from housing?

The northside residential properties will not jeopardise the infrastructure and capability of the airport in any form, as the land earmarked for development
is unsuitable for aviation purposes.

Yes, but the land includes part of the current terminal car park, boxes in the terminal area and abuts part of the active airfield with possible future implications

Is it true that the airport is not interested in developing holiday flights and that Thomson was forced to leave?

The business had a longstanding and strong relationship with TUI and Balkan Holidays but it was agreed with those partners that DTVA could not operate their ad-hoc departures without continued losses.

I bet TUI and BH find "agreed with" and "ad hoc" to be interesting choice of words...

If Peel pulled out of the airport, other businesses could operate the business and would surely be willing to do so?

the main UK regional airport’s are not seen as attractive business opportunities.

The recent buyer of LBA clearly doesn't think so. The quoted examples of Coventry, Manston, Blackpool and Plymouth aren't really comparable to DTVA.

Is it true that Peel got the airport for “next to nothing”?

Airports are renowned for their large capital expenditure requirements. At DTVA, The Peel Group has invested in:
–– Fire vehicles
–– Airfield resurfacing
–– Air traffic control radar enhancements
–– X-ray security equipment
–– Car park extensions and surfacing

I think the general public accepts that there will be an element of renewal, meeting statutory requirements but would also expect the term 'investment' to include an element of expansion and enhancement.

You could go on - the section on airline and tour operator history is a bit one-eyed (and ignores Globespan completely) e.g.

Ryanair withdrew services to Dublin following the introduction of an Irish Tourism Tax,...Ryanair have reduced or removed capacity in many UK regional airports since pre-recession

and have expanded at others...

Balkan Holidays operated successfully from the airport for a number of years intermittently with mixed success.

what?

Wizz Air also ceased services at Bournemouth and Coventry airports at a similar time.

and have expanded at others...

[zed3]

We live in Scarborough which is more or less equidistant from DTV, Leeds and Humberside. We use KLM frequently having lived in The Netherlands and having family there. Leeds has the best flight schedule but whereas when we moved over four years ago it took just over 90 mins. driving time it now takes two hours or more. Humberside is just under two hours but fewer flights and more expensive (industry prices?). DTV is a problem vis a vis access. The road network is a twisting nightmare and getting through Yarm is a disaster, especially when the mummies are picking up from school in the BMW or Benz. Forty-five minutes from the lights at the top to the lights exiting, at the last attempt. So LBA it will be for the near future but DTV would be a doddle if the access was organised properly.