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[quote=01475;10086400]Locos went to places like DTV in the days when places like ........../quote]
As said history counts for nothing.....If looking forward, then it's completely irrelevant as to the situation back then that brought about the demise of Lowco operations at DTV...I'm sure someone could write a book about the characters decisions & mismanagement, it wasn't all down to the Lowco's, "it takes takes two to tango" as they say !
Now it's all about the money, and the fundamental question is whether DTV is an investible option & there would appear to be no one out there that believes that it is.
As said history counts for nothing.....If looking forward, then it's completely irrelevant as to the situation back then that brought about the demise of Lowco operations at DTV...I'm sure someone could write a book about the characters decisions & mismanagement, it wasn't all down to the Lowco's, "it takes takes two to tango" as they say !
Now it's all about the money, and the fundamental question is whether DTV is an investible option & there would appear to be no one out there that believes that it is.
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Welcome back Skyman with an excellent view...
The NE is a strange area...not much inbound tourism...and I don’t know why...not much in the way of major industrial players..and most of those are on Teeside...and not a major population feed...so...what is the answer?
Me thinks..please don’t shout..but pax should be concentrated on NCL.Its well established and accepted.
DTV. The ancillary business...maintenance,painting,freight and private. NCL don’t seem too interested in that business.
Working together two airports could succeed?
Without I fear for one of the NE airports..
The NE is a strange area...not much inbound tourism...and I don’t know why...not much in the way of major industrial players..and most of those are on Teeside...and not a major population feed...so...what is the answer?
Me thinks..please don’t shout..but pax should be concentrated on NCL.Its well established and accepted.
DTV. The ancillary business...maintenance,painting,freight and private. NCL don’t seem too interested in that business.
Working together two airports could succeed?
Without I fear for one of the NE airports..
Rember you have the stuff Inning North York Moors , Whitby famous for the Dracula books being written there.
It's stunning abbey plus Durham a Cathedral city ideal for history buff tourists . Ditto York .
All not far by train or bus from DTV.
They need to do something soon or KLM may upsticks and do a Ryanair take their aircraft to another peel airport .
( Perhaps DSA ) . Seems the falling pax numbers are a self for filling prophecy they read in the media how terrible it is and probably more expensive so decide to take a long drive to Leeds Newcastleaybe even Doncaster .
For now their only hope is to return to ' bucket and spade and Eastern Europe ' , and as someone send try tempt a loco.plus perhaps get more Domestic services .
Maybe when CAX opens not a vast distance from them they need to try compete by serving Dublin Maybe Stansted and Belfast plus IOM.
And Season Southampton to meet the Cruise flights .
Try attract freight again .
Flatten the rail halt rebuild it where it will get used.
And they might not face closure .
As I hate to say it but now another Airport with more offerings already is opening a distance that's about 2 hours drive then I can't see them lasting the year .
If KLM go Eastern will too.
Where they would redepoly - who knows .
It's a terrible situation for all concerned and that region.
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Yes that's what we like! I don't agree with all of it but take note people that's what negativity should look like.
Regarding the 'Eastern introducting Embraers' rumour from earlier in the thread:- Flybes booking engine does not specify aircraft types but it does display a warning about limited baggage space on Jetstream 41 aircraft...that warning disappears after March 25th which is the start of the summer timetables; there is also one less rotation per day which would make sense if a larger aircraft is being introduced. Don't forget also Eastern added a 4th E145 to their fleet recently as well. No sign of the rumoured Dublin rotation in between flights but there is plenty of space for it (plus if this was just a response to competition from Loganair you'd expect they would have abandoned the change upon learning of their exit from the route). Journey time remains 1hr same as with the Jetstream, obviously you would expect a decrease with jet equipment but this is the only inconsistency.
All speculation of course, so make of it what you will.
Regarding the 'Eastern introducting Embraers' rumour from earlier in the thread:- Flybes booking engine does not specify aircraft types but it does display a warning about limited baggage space on Jetstream 41 aircraft...that warning disappears after March 25th which is the start of the summer timetables; there is also one less rotation per day which would make sense if a larger aircraft is being introduced. Don't forget also Eastern added a 4th E145 to their fleet recently as well. No sign of the rumoured Dublin rotation in between flights but there is plenty of space for it (plus if this was just a response to competition from Loganair you'd expect they would have abandoned the change upon learning of their exit from the route). Journey time remains 1hr same as with the Jetstream, obviously you would expect a decrease with jet equipment but this is the only inconsistency.
All speculation of course, so make of it what you will.
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Oh well,back to square one.
Loganair finishes today which means DTV Aberdeen services back in the capable hands of Eastern.Free to mess around as they wish.
The much heralded Super Break charters down to only 2.
KLM reducing over the summer to two a day.
Back to square one..eh ...actually minus 1 !
Loganair finishes today which means DTV Aberdeen services back in the capable hands of Eastern.Free to mess around as they wish.
The much heralded Super Break charters down to only 2.
KLM reducing over the summer to two a day.
Back to square one..eh ...actually minus 1 !
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From Middlesborough to CAX is 94 miles and the best part of two hours driving and you pass within 6 miles of NCL. To get to NCL and LBA it is roughly 50 and 60 miles respectively and a little over an hour driving.
re Super Breaks, it was on DTVM yesterday that only Seville and Madeira would operate this year. On a related note, reported on Londonderry thread that their Seville flt departed with 59 pax this week, so may not just be a MME thing.
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Didn't Durham Tees Valley - Dublin route get around 80,000 passengers per year?
If Carlisle airport & Stobart/Loganair can make that work with a Saab 340, I'm sure someone could make that route work from Durham Tees Valley with a larger passenger catchment base meaning the larger aircraft would be more viable.
Lets say Flybe/Eastern airways used a Saab 2000 and fitted in 10 - 12 return flights per week around the Aberdeen schedule flights. Those type operations could carry 50,000-60,000 passengers per year on a Durham Tees Valley - Dublin route.
If Carlisle airport & Stobart/Loganair can make that work with a Saab 340, I'm sure someone could make that route work from Durham Tees Valley with a larger passenger catchment base meaning the larger aircraft would be more viable.
Lets say Flybe/Eastern airways used a Saab 2000 and fitted in 10 - 12 return flights per week around the Aberdeen schedule flights. Those type operations could carry 50,000-60,000 passengers per year on a Durham Tees Valley - Dublin route.
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From what I can see from Superbreaks the flights have been on sale and sold.
I can't see anything that confirms that these charter package breaks have been cancelled.
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Dublin could and should work. A tie in with Aer Lingus, perhaps pushing the trans-atlantic route with the benefits of clearing US immigration before flying.
Pains me to see DTV in the situation it is. Used it frequently in the late 70s/early 80s to and from LHR. Standby tickets at £25 and never not managed to get on the early afternoon flight on a Friday. IIRC full fare was £50 back then, the same as Stobart are charging CAX-SEN later this year?
Pains me to see DTV in the situation it is. Used it frequently in the late 70s/early 80s to and from LHR. Standby tickets at £25 and never not managed to get on the early afternoon flight on a Friday. IIRC full fare was £50 back then, the same as Stobart are charging CAX-SEN later this year?
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So have Superbreak cancelled all these charter package breaks including ones at all other UK airports?
I thought most of the Durham Tees Valley charter package breaks had already sold out. The Gibraltar package break is still yet to be confirmed by Superbreak at any UK airport.
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Lets say Flybe/Eastern airways used a Saab 2000 and fitted in 10 - 12 return flights per week around the Aberdeen schedule flights. Those type operations could carry 50,000-60,000 passengers per year on a Durham Tees Valley - Dublin route.
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I have not seen anything on the FODTVA pages about Superbreak cancelling all these charter package breaks.
So have Superbreak cancelled all these charter package breaks including ones at all other UK airports?
I thought most of the Durham Tees Valley charter package breaks had already sold out. The Gibraltar package break is still yet to be confirmed by Superbreak at any UK airport.
So have Superbreak cancelled all these charter package breaks including ones at all other UK airports?
I thought most of the Durham Tees Valley charter package breaks had already sold out. The Gibraltar package break is still yet to be confirmed by Superbreak at any UK airport.
PR stuff will always say such things as selling fast or sold out, it means nothing just like DFS furniture sales, ''sale MUST end on Monday while stocks last''!
re Super Breaks - wonder if it is anything to do with the recent shenanigans with the Mayor, Peel and TVCA about funding for flight support, or was that for 2019?
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Re Superbreak
It's not just Teesside other departure airports have also seen cutbacks to their flights by Superbreak, it's nothing new as the company is renowned for putting up a full flying program but they never actually fulfill it, who actually books with this company for their foreign holidays other than their long established UK holiday program that actually has a good reputation within the travel industry.
It's not just Teesside other departure airports have also seen cutbacks to their flights by Superbreak, it's nothing new as the company is renowned for putting up a full flying program but they never actually fulfill it, who actually books with this company for their foreign holidays other than their long established UK holiday program that actually has a good reputation within the travel industry.
Probably as much to do with the Teesside public’s apathy!
Do they actually want an airport? Plenty of rhetoric but no substance..ie booking
Well publicised ,use the airport(routes) or lose it.
This year like previous not going to be good..next year? Who knows....PEEL are obviously watching very closely as the inward flow of aviation revenue decreases rapidly..
Do they actually want an airport? Plenty of rhetoric but no substance..ie booking
Well publicised ,use the airport(routes) or lose it.
This year like previous not going to be good..next year? Who knows....PEEL are obviously watching very closely as the inward flow of aviation revenue decreases rapidly..
This year like previous not going to be good..next year? Who knows....PEEL are obviously watching very closely as the inward flow of aviation revenue decreases rapidly..
Talking about the next few months really..In general...half Aberdeen flights,less. Amsterdam’s flights..and thats without the many cancelled so far this year...Super Break disappointment.Along with that goes fuel sales,passenger tax reduction,shop spend etc.
Half a dozen biz jets and one A330 isn’t much of a replacement?
It’s an observation for which I’m not sure of the answer??
Half a dozen biz jets and one A330 isn’t much of a replacement?
It’s an observation for which I’m not sure of the answer??
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
re Super Breaks - wonder if it is anything to do with the recent shenanigans with the Mayor, Peel and TVCA about funding for flight support, or was that for 2019?
The Mayor is definitely causing setbacks and (my opinion only) I have little doubt that positive developments have fallen through because of his interference. The funding I believe is for 2019.
