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Old 21st Feb 2018, 09:40
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Over 200,000 passengers in one month. Peel take note of how it should be done.

DTV Airport owners, Peel and the labour councillors minority should call into Newcastle Airport to see how they can achieve over 200,000 passengers in one month, which is double what DTV now has in one year!

Peel and the minority share holders should let the Tees Mayor buy it back so he can ask the Newcastle owners how its done.

Newcastle Airport ?place to be? as record passenger numbers bolster £3.5m investment | The Northern Echo
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Leaving aside how he would pay for it, what does the Mayor know about running an airport? What would he do differently?
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Does the Mayor need a vision for turning this around?

During Peels tenure they have done nothing but encourage airlines to leave. Ryanair ran flights to Alicante ;Peel then introduced the £6 passenger fee, which coincidentally is Ryanairs profit margin per seat, and Ryanair were off.

Thomson ran holiday flights; wanted to use the airport and incredibly Peel told them to leave.

Theses are two of many confirmed.

One unconfirmed from 10 years ago , was about KLM. They wanted to expand their freight operation. They asked Peel about using DTV. If they were given the opportunity they would scrap flights from AMS to NCL and LBA and use DTV as their hub for the North East. Our Councillor friends from SBC who sat on the board soon scuppered that on 'Noise pollution'
There is a viable product in DTV, many on here know it, and so does Ben Houchen.
Look at Globespan. They ran 2 flights per day from our airport and I never got on one that wasn't full. Unfortunately they ventured into transatlantic and it cost them.
The airport needs an airline like Globespan or Ryanair or even Norwegian to follow this model. It needs daily flights to London, and flights to Ireland , Dublin and/or Belfast. The people are here but before long they will throw the towel in and play right into Peels hands.
I travel every week by air , and do so as much as possible from DTV. I welcome the changes being made to the terminal. We just need a few more routes... and I think the mayor recognises Peel are not interested in the slightest bit.
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Some of the foundationless comments on here beggar belief!
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If someone came along and said they'd operate daily flights to London, Dublin and Belfast I'm sure Peel would be delighted to let them, and off the back of that I'm sure they'd also then be delighted to let someone bring a planeload of 200 people at a couple of random times a week too.

But while I'm sure there'd be people willing to fly the 200 or so holiday makers at two random times per week (flyGlobespan was a sad case; if it hadn't been a victim of fraud by it's payment processor I'm sure it would still be around), who do we think might might be willing to operate the daily flights to London, Dublin and Belfast?

In particular, who would be willing to run the service to London? Darlington has 2 trains an hour to London from about 5am to almost 10pm, and a lot of them take less than 2h30m. Even with the most welcoming airport operator in the world I wouldn't like to try and compete against that with anything other than another train.

Also, how do the conspiracy theorists explain Peel's other airports? If Peel are a hydra like monster desperate to land grab at airports why is Liverpool ticking along nicely and why have they done the total exact opposite at Doncaster? They strike me as a group happy, in circumstances where it's possible, to both operate and develop airports.
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Fireman, Baggage handler, cleaner...

People performing more than one function at small Scandinavian airports is very common. It makes for more an interesting day and personal job satisfaction, it keeps the costs down and keeps the airport open. And why can’t one person learn all of these functions? Check-in, Gate Agent, Baggage Handling, Refuelling, cleaning etc... and obviously be paid for the extra responsibility. And there is no conflict of interest. Fires come first.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 14:04
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A bit of Foundation for Mr Ryan

This is a record of the “verbal Agreement” made between the Tees Valley council leaders and Peel, two months BEFORE the mayoral elections in May 2017. It is SHOCKING both in its intention and in its arrogance.
In it the council leaders promise to give Peel not just one payment of £500,000, but four payments of £500,000 over four years plus an immediate investment of £2 million!
Let me explain something. Peel was sold 75% of the airport shares so that it could use its deep pockets to support and grow the airport for the benefit of the area. It was given, yes given, another 14% for nothing. Since then passenger numbers have plummeted from a high of nearly 1 million to a low of just over 100,000. At the same time Peel have soaked up millions in grants of taxpayers money.
THIS HAS TO BE THE FINAL STRAW. Your local council leaders met in secret and promised to give Peel another £4 million of your money to do the job that it was brought in to do in the first place. It was done before the mayoral election in the belief that the election was a formality that would see Sue Jeffrey elected without any fuss. Fortunately the people of Teesside have finally woken up to the scandal of Peels ownership of the failing airport and voted in someone who has pledged to save it.
Your local council leaders were taken by surprise but have still not learned from it. They still voted to give Peel the first payment of £500,000. The Mayor has said that he WILL NOT AGREE to any of this payment being made. More power to his elbow!
"Draft - as discussed by Council Leaders – March 2017"
CREATING A SUSTAINABLE, FLOURISHING AIRPORT
A DRAFT DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMME FOR GROWTH AT DURHAM TEES VALLEY AIRPORT
I. Durham Tees Valley Airport is a significant asset for the Tees Valley and its wider catchment area. It provides critical connections for local business, as well as for residents for leisure and to see family and also opportunities for visitors and tourists – inward and outward.
But, in a challenging environment for many regional airports, in recent years it has faced declining passenger numbers. Without joint action and a partnership commitment, the Airport will fail to make a contribution to the ambitions of the Tees Valley’s Strategic Economic Plan, and its long-term sustainability cannot be assured.
The Airport, with Peel Group its majority shareholder, and the Tees Valley Combined Authority share the objective to turn this situation around. We have therefore agreed to jointly invest in a major development programme with the aim of:
• Establishing a growth trajectory for Durham Tees Valley Airport, and ensuring long-term financial sustainability by 2021;
• Retaining existing flights, establishing new routes, and paving the way for the re-establishment of flights to an expanded Heathrow;
• Establishing Durham Tees Valley Airport as a business growth hub, opening up new sites for business to locate near a successful international gateway;
• Developing a successful new community around the Airport, with excellent transport connections and community facilities; and
• Strengthening the partnership between the Airport, Peel Group, the Combined Authority and the Councils, and the wider community.
II. To achieve these objectives, the joint Development Programme ("the Joint Programme") will bring forward and establish the following:
• A stronger role for the Airport in promoting the delivery of the Strategic Economic Plan, the development of key sectors, the UK’s Industrial Strategy, and the attraction of inward investment to the Tees Valley.
• A strategy for route development, targeted at establishing new regular routes by 2021, and promoting a more strategic approach by government to the Regional Air Connectivity Fund or successor fund.
• Paving the way for a new route to Heathrow, in advance of its expansion, and delivering on the government’s commitment that flights to Durham Tees Valley will be facilitated by a Heathrow 3rd runway.
• Influencing national policy, international trade policy, and contributing to Transport for the North’s ambitions for enhanced international connectivity.
• Accelerated delivery of the business sites identified in the Masterplan for the Airport; including:
- an investment of £2 million from Tees Valley’s Capital Investment Plan to open up business sites on the north side of the Airport; and
- further phases of development of the North and South side.
• A proposal to government to establish an Enterprise Zone at the Airport.
• Improvements to the Airport site; including better access from the road network, improved signage, and better facilities for passengers.
• Investment to enhance the use of the airport for freight, with good local facilities and stronger links into national logistics networks.
• Development (with Darlington and Stockton Councils) of simplified planning arrangements, including the option of a Local Development Order.
• Development of a business case for improved surface access to the station, including:
- New rail links to replace the redundant Durham Tees Valley Airport station, and improvements to rail services across the Tees Valley.
- Better bus connections using the powers being made available to the Combined Authority through the Buses Bill.
- Investment in Tees Valley’s key route network, and improvements to the Tees Valley’s East-West road links to the A1(M), expanding the 1-hour catchment area for the Airport.
• Subject to planning permission, the delivery of housing proposals for the Northside of the Airport, including the delivery of infrastructure, site preparation and public realm.
• Support for initiatives to enhance skills levels and contribute to the Tees Valley’s skills and employment objectives, by developing high quality apprenticeships and training programmes in the aviation engineering sector and associated careers.
A marketing and promotion budget, to establish Aero Centre Tees Valley as a compelling business proposition, to raise awareness of the Airport and the business opportunities arising from investment on the site.
III. Resources and Accountability
This Joint Programme will be subject to review as to its progress and objectives by the Chairman of Peel Airports, Robert Hough, and the TVCA but without prejudice to the individual responsibility of any company, body or authority for its particular role or duty in any relevant subject area. Reports will also be made regularly to the Tees Valley Combined Authority Cabinet.
The Joint Programme will be overseen on a day-to-day basis by the Managing Director of the Tees Valley Combined Authority, working with an assigned specific DTVA Development Director based at the Airport. The Development Director will play a full and active role in the Tees Valley’s business community and also provide leadership for the Airport's development programme, supported by the wider Airport and Peel management resources. The Development Director will also join the Tees Valley Combined Authority’s Transport and Infrastructure Group, alongside other partners such as Network Rail and Teesport, in support of the Tees Valley’s wider ambitions for local, national and international connectivity.
To develop the full range of proposals for the Joint Programme set out above, the Tees Valley Combined Authority will make an immediate commitment of £0.5 million a year for the four years ending March 2018-2021, from its Development Fund (separate and additional to the £2M investment referred to in Section 2 above). This will be matched by an equivalent commitment from DTVA, with Peel Group as its majority shareholder also providing expertise and development capacity as required. The partners will consider the appropriate vehicle for the delivery of this programme, for example, as a formal or informal partnership, or joint venture, underpinned by a more detailed partnership agreement.
The partners will wish to see and jointly consider the case for a further extension of this programme beyond 2021, as its value is demonstrated."
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Local councils invest in infrastructure everyday to promote growth and jobs in their area, which is what this document is about. Note Peel will be matching or exceeding any investment from the LA's.

01475 is right about any London route. To where, by whom?

Ryanair don't run away from gold mines, Globespan stepped into bmiBaby's shoes after they left because they couldn't make money (even though they had a long term contract with Peel). Their flights may have been full but nobody stepped in to replace them - must tell us something.

The KLM story makes no sense to me.
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Nope still no foundation.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 15:31
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The Following information has been taken from the Companies House Website. Durham Tees Valley Airport Limited Company number 02020423.

From the Durham Tees Valley Airport Limited report and accounts for year ended 31st March 2012.

On 10th February 2012 34,216,420 shares of £0.01 each were issued by the company. The consideration for these shares was the release of the Company's obligation £24,285,414 of loans to Peel Airports Limited. https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/02020423
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 15:44
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Tees Valley Combined Authority has issued a paper to give background information on Durham Tees Valley Airport ahead of the 22nd February 2018 (special Cabinet Meeting) https://teesvalley-ca.gov.uk/wp-cont...nd-Paper-1.pdf
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Thanks - that's an interesting document and well worth reading. Puts into context a lot of the recent "discussions".
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Although very interesting, I feel that the first step needs to be to get rid of the £6 passenger charge which is a major disincentive to any potential operator, it's seems like an anti-passenger tax when added to the existing Govt. tax per passenger.
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Old 21st Feb 2018, 16:41
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The £6 is paid by passenger not any potential operator. Other airports charge for drop offs and pick ups, fast track systems etc.
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That report says 3.5 million people live within 60 minutes. True but the vast majority of those millions are well served by airports either side of Teesside that have bigger immediate catchment populations. Teesside's immediate catchment population is much less than a million which is exactly why the airport will not work. You cannot ignore the airports that serve Newcastle and West Yorkshire. Other than plonking another 1 million people in Darlington / Middlesbrough the writing is on the wall.
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I am aware of that but it still has to be taken into account when planning a trip and adds £6 to the cost of your journey.
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My posts are not appearing on the forum? I've not said anything offensive. Am I being censored? Seems quite unfair. Perhaps a MOD could answer?

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So reading through all of that Tees Valley Combined Authority plans for MME, the only thing that seems to have gone ahead is the housing planning for the North side. Oh! yes and giving Peel another half million pounds a year for four years. The rest is a load of long words which does not mean anything.
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'Local councils invest in infrastructure everyday to promote growth and jobs in their area, which is what this document is about. Note Peel will be matching or exceeding any investment from the LA's.'

Peel bought the airport for the price of a detached house in Wynyard.
In return they said they would invest £20million? Not keep applying for grants and coming back for financial assistance? Thats why people are miffed off, because they know Peel have got the local authorities by the short and curlies, and they are now starting to squeeze


'01475 is right about any London route. To where, by whom? '

To where? London.
By who? I don't know Im not in charge. Yes the trains only take 150 minutes as they did when Bmi ran the service to Heathrow.

'Ryanair don't run away from gold mines'

Really , check it out when they left and why

'Globespan stepped into bmiBaby's shoes after they left because they couldn't make money'

BmiBaby couldnt make money because they were flying to places like Newquay??

'Their flights may have been full but nobody stepped in to replace them - must tell us something'.

Yes it does. Peel don't want anyone operating. Thats why they kicked Thomson out.
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These conspiracy theory style posts are ridiculous, and alarming.

This thread is starting to make less sense than the Manston ones did!
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