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Old 15th Feb 2018, 16:42
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I would hope nobody tries to bash Peel over this one - something very different is happening; Eastern and Loganair have agreed (tacitly or otherwise) to end their collective blood-letting.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 17:09
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Exactly... Loganair flying into DTVA was the last bastion of the Eastern/Flybe v Loganair war, which has all calmly come to and end recently, so nobody can say this was unexpected. I question the "lease a suitable aircraft" comment though, what's that supposed to mean? Were the Saab 340s unsuitable?
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 17:23
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Not unexpected to those without the rose coloured glasses on.

Unfortunately guys,watch this space as we are back to square one..eastern to ABZ..just look at the track record as you have all been happy to previously point out.
I’m afraid Eastern have ,shall we say, a few problems of their own.Unbeleivable..from a ridiculous 7/8 ABZ flights per day..we may be down to 0/0 shortly...the future..phew!
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 17:54
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I'm actually surprised Loganair didn't win - I have a feeling they could have killed Eastern if they'd wanted to.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 17:56
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I don't wear rose tinted glasses and it was a huge surprise to me! I don't feel a need to observe the secrecy now so I don't mind saying they were going to be launching Glasgow, Belfast, Guernsey, and a Dundee-Durham-Southampton by all accounts! Huge loss. Also because this hasn't come from sources within the airport I don't mind saying loose lipped eastern captains are saying we're getting an Embraer 145 on their Aberdeen route from next month with a Dublin rotation in between, but if this was a response to competition from Loganair they might abandon it?
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:08
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Thought the Guernsey was already on the cards for this summer, presume its going to be binned.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:23
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I was going to ask about Guernsey too?

Not good news after all the earlier positive excitement.

I know it's a different case, but this highlights the fragile economics of the airport and aviation generally. You would have to question the desire to use public money for the holiday flight debate - I can understand the mayor wanting certainty of his return otherwise once the subsidy has being used up, the economics may well not stack up and the airline moves on or gets kicked out. If the returns really are good - I'll invest!!
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:41
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Another one leaves DTVA.

I wonder if KLM are getting a free deal as they have stayed at DTVA.

Shame about this with all the advertising the did.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...alley-14295685
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:54
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RR. Comments weren’t just for you.

I appreciate everyone wanting the airport to succeed but how many kicks do we all have to take? Maybe,just Maybe, everyone is being taken up the garden path and the X Files are at work!!

Do the people who matter..actually want an airport..or ,as some have alluded to,want the land... cash is king...
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 18:58
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I wonder if eastern airways will be operating a different timetable for flights now that Loganair are to stop there services from this airport.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 19:10
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Not totally unexpected given the ceasefire which seems to have broken out elsewhere.

By the aircraft lease bit, I see Jethros has a Saab 340B (G-LGNZ) to be WFU Mar18 and I assume that this is what they mean - a replacement would have been needed to continue MME?

Bad news for the airport though. Their only hope is that Eastern actually do something instead of just going back to the J41 and high fares which sparked off this saga to begin with.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 19:31
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Loganair would have had to lease another aircraft

Yes, the company spokesman says they would have to lease another aircraft in in this piece.
Grounded: Airline Loganair scraps Aberdeen services at Durham Tees Valley Airport just months after its launch | The Northern Echo

Sound like they have just been covering the winter months until their busy spring summer time schedule started.
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 20:15
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The above post..just goes to show..it’s all coming home to roost.

You need the staff ...build it and in DTV s case ...it might come.

Super BReaks...oh dear..my info.is. Struggling at those prices to sell... what next....
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 21:07
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Highwide...you just proved a point I made earlier in the thread, you've blamed DTVA for not hiring staff and your mind is made up. If you knew the full situation, you would know that Eastern did not inform DTVA that they were changing their timetable and that it would put two of their aircraft on the ground at the same time as two others flights, twice each day, they just went ahead and did it, therefore DTVA had no opportunity to staff up, nor did they try to staff up after the fact because they knew Eastern could not be trusted to maintain a consistent schedule

Clutching at straws here but the press release says Loganair will remain an airline partner of DTVA, now how does an airline/airport partnership work that does not include routes, I can only wonder if the above mentioned services might still be on the cards? Surely if that were true they would have said as much?
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Surely the airlines talk to the owners before making decisions..if not why not?
All those planned Loganair routes look a bit pie in the sky now.if the loss of the Aberdeen route is down to leasing only one aircraft..Surely it could have been deployed on those other routes,also,sharing the leasing costs?

As I said it’s feels like it’s back to square one.Eastern for the moment with a monopoly and carte blanch to do what they wish apparently.The oil workers again the ones to suffer.
Wonder what the relationship between DTV and Eastern will be like now..fragile I would suspect!
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 07:56
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I guess not if the Dublin rumour turns out to be true, and you would think of anyone Eastern crew would know?
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 09:28
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Dublin rumour ?
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 09:43
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See post #508
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 09:57
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So flights from DTV,Newcastle,Leeds and don’t forget..good old Carlisle...hope enough passengers to go round...be interesting to see Ryanair’s reaction!!
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Old 16th Feb 2018, 10:22
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Do Eastern have a crew based at MME and if so would they be qualified on jet aircraft? I might be wrong but there can't be much difference in timing, say MME to DUB, between a jet and turbo aircraft!
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