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Old 11th Feb 2018, 09:46
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If you don't like it then don't pay it. Simple as that.
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Old 11th Feb 2018, 12:49
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No Story Here

...wrt the lounge fee. 90%+ of people that use it do so on the back of airline status and class of travel and therefore don't pay a penny. The cost for a pay as you enter charge appears fairly comparable. I'm a regular user of the lounge and look forward to the changes, though the old lounge was more than adequate for a 45 minutes pre-flight rest!
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Old 13th Feb 2018, 21:46
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Council leaders out of touch.

Sounds like these Labour councillors are out of touch with the residents. Good to see the Mayor is stopping them from giving tax payers money away again.

Why give a billion pound company another 500,000 for marketing and solicitors when Whittaker is worth a couple of billion himself.
The sale of the airport raises more questions in that the same councils won't release the airport sale documents.

Time for Peel to take a walk and give the airport to the Mayor to control. Better still start a compulsory purchase to force Peel to sell up.
Thye have sold before to VAS whats stopping them now.... oh yes the land
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...-give-14286638

I look forward to seeing a public investigation into who decided to sell to Peel in the first place and WHY? What was in it for that person?
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Beafer, you really don't have the first clue do you?
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 05:46
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Just what the airport needs - to become a political football between Tory boy and the Labour cronies. Not a great environment for investment.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 08:27
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Wonder who are the 2 holiday companies wanting to fly from Durham Tees, and where to, mentioned in a tweet from Alex Cunningham this morning. Isn't it a bit late to launch flights for this summer?

What is the mayor achieving by stopping the 500,000 that has already been agreed by the councils, hadn't it?
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 11:22
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This is the third rumour I mentioned a while ago that I thought must have died a death. Just read the full press release, so the Mayor is trying to block it and all because it doesn't suit his Peel=bad policy!!

mmeman its for summer 19
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 11:28
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So is this a massive change of direction from PEEL. These extra services for 2019..are they full series or one offs....which ever,PEEL will have to change their policy of actually employing people and providing services full time..or will they? What has changed?

Beafer..you better get your skates on!!!
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 12:04
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IF it is the rumour; then it's full series, and no not a change of policy by Peel, just they will have found a responsible way to make it work for the airport as well as the airline
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 15:16
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Interesting times and as 2019 brochures hit the shelves soon “I could crush a grape” with anticipation!!

Let’s hope the ATC closures are sorted out by then! Maybe the 500k. Would be best spent now on employing more operational staff....
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 15:22
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Do we think there would be much demand for flights down to East or North London, so perhaps Southend, Luton Or Stansted from Durham Tees Valley on a daily basis.
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 15:38
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Going to be a busy thread....but.. currently 65K passengers paying say..an average 5 per passenger facility fee. That’s....325k income per year...and going with that is the bad PR and poor comments associated with the fee/tax

So how about cancelling that tax/fee...in exchange for the 500k requested/required/needed.Or do they need both? Some goodwill and a positive statement from PEEL re their intentions for the airport?
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Old 14th Feb 2018, 17:42
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Good question by public poster from Yarm

Under the article there is a good question by a poster who asked about the extra 500k which Peel want.
If they only paid 500k for the whole airport, and they are given 500k does that mean they got the airport for nothing?.

Labour councillors appear to have had a knee jerk reaction to all the negative comments about them wanting to give Peel more money, and have put out a press statement, but its just a political bun fight!
They haven't got a clue. They have sat on the DTVA directors board for years and have done nothing but bow to Peels instructions.

The councillors obviously joined the new TVA panel at Peels request to oppose the Mayors plans for the airport.
https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/t...money-14291152

Peel have made it public that they only give the airport 5 years, and will take a break to consider their options. Do the councillors receive any money for sitting on all of the boards?
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Originally Posted by Sue Jeffrey
“We have a solid proposition to invest and grow our airport but the Tees Valley Mayor is only interested in paying expensive consultants to try to make sense of his un-costed election pledge to buy the airport.

“It is simply reckless to put these new flights at risk.

“Mayor Houchen needs to stop playing politics and support our airport.”
Never thought I would hear such common sense from an MP...Beafer, read and take note of what something that really is "well said" looks like!

and some more:

Originally Posted by Bill Dixon
“The public will be rightly angry that, after the Tees Valley Mayor made saving the airport such a large part of his election campaign, he is now effectively blocking efforts to bring in more flights.
and then the idiot himself drops this clanger:

Originally Posted by Ben Houchen
Mr Houchen struck back, promising to veto any plans to put taxpayers’ money into the hands of Peel Group “for nothing in return”.
FOR SEVERAL NEW HOLIDAY FLIGHTS YOU MORON!
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 08:15
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Interesting....

Have to say, this is a tough one.

Firstly, you may need to pass me the medicine bottle because I do have some sympathy for the Beafer view on additional public money. An ethical question should be had about public money being plied into the pockets of wealthy organisations.

In addition, if 500k was the only difference needed to turn an iffy business proposal into a good one, then you would expect that a savvy business man like Whittaker to put the money in? After all the deal is good or bad regardless of whether we use public funds right?

I would suggest therefore that if the Mayor wins this argument and the money isn't stumped up, and the flights don't come, then it probably wasn't a sustainable, money making business proposition. Maybe, just maybe, once the money dried up and the new holiday flights were running under their own steam/economics, the airline would have left or Peel would have kicked them out again.

If I am wrong and 500k is the real difference between success and failure, then surely someone other than the council can make this happen right? Is that the best use of public money?

Now, putting the Beafer pills aside, the fact that we are finally talking holiday flights again is fantastic. When flights were pulled before, they were 'w' rotations. If something has changed, then maybe we are talking about a summer base? And wouldn't it be great if it was a right sized aircraft, say from FlyBe, with tour operators selling seats on it as well as Flybe selling their own seats. That way it's sustainable and not a potentially low yielding 737.

Have to say exciting news...let's just hope the money people and the decision makers make the right choices, be that council money or otherwise!

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Old 15th Feb 2018, 08:31
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Am I reading all this correctly?

1/ There are some new holiday flights in the offing.
2/ These won't happen unless Peel gets half a million quid.
3/ The half million is therefore a subsidy to allow a wealthier minority to enjoy a more convenient flight departure airport.

Where is the structural, strategic economic benefit in this to the Tees Valley and wider area to justify more public money (my money) funding this?
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 15:49
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Seems Loganair to Aberdeen has been pulled.
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Thank goodness there's lots more coming because Loganair just pulled Aberdeen
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Old 15th Feb 2018, 16:19
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That's unfortunate. My hopes for the future of the airport would have been more Loganair routes :-( ( Though I guess that with Eastern having pulled out Loganair's patch, ...)
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Que the Peel bashers...
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