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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 12:38
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Nothing more than conspiracy theorists always having an answer to everything. Look at what they've spent, look at what they are set to spend, look at what they're doing to improve their PR...they could easily have closed the place at its lowest ebb...why build it back up again?! Doesn't make sense unless they plan on making a go of it
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 13:16
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don`t the passenger figures speak for themselves
More passengers in 1971 than 2017
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 14:15
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A year ago, when we only had two airlines one of whom was struggling, when the terminal was a ghost town with less facilities and out of date decor, when morale was even lower...need I go on?
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 17:32
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we had 132k passengers in 2016 and after the terminal improvments we lost
4k in 2017 to 128k what will 2018 bring 124k ?
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I'm sorry but I've got to come on here and put a few things to Mr Robert Ryan, cautious optimist, DTVAirport or what ever username he wants to use today,..
The reason why the second airline was struggling was the outrageous fares they were charging.. I've been screaming for years now at the useless management at DTV to get some other airline in to give them some competition... "and guess what".. more passengers start to use the route not only on the new airline (Loganair) but also on the so called airline that should have a cape and mask in their colour scheme! but what's makes it ironic is they dropped their fares to suit soon as Loganair started.. I personally know a lot of people who work in the offshore industry and they say that Loganair has saved their trip up on the train to Aberdeen as they wouldn't pay Cape and Mask airways fares...

Secondly... you're now saying the terminal was a ghost town? again, I've been commenting on this for years 'which even you pulled me on the subject'.. I think you'll find the pax are still down.. 'just' yes but we've all been saying when's the numbers going to bottom out, and next year doesn't look too good for it either when KLM start to reduce the daily flights is in the summer months... granted a few more airports have the same issue but we cant afford to loose any more flights. 'still'... peel spent a few quid in Ikea of late to make the terminal more attractive to the passengers which they paid for through the 6 fee, and lets not forget some of the painting was done from the slaves of FoDTV...(more money saved) anyway.. so 132K, 1971 pax numbers this year at 6 a pop, wonder where the rest of the money has gone... maybe for a new Kettle for the ATC breaks, which is another issue which I've mentioned on here.. 18 months now this has been going on for, with some breaks being an hour long. Id love to know who they are training up?

and lastly Jestar8.. your rite.. things can be sold on, also they can be leased in and sent back.. but don't upset the peel lovers on here their funny bunch with all their speculation... makes me laugh.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 18:31
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"and guess what".. more passengers start to use the route not only on the new airline (Loganair) but also on the so called airline that should have a cape and mask in their colour scheme!
I don't suppose anybody knows the actual split, but the numbers don't support LM carrying more that EZE, but EZE also going up (or how much either is actually making).

Any news on the LM crew base?
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 18:36
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Could I point out for clarity..that the 128k passengers for the year is both ways..the actual departure figures are I guess half..so only 64k use the airport to fly off.My maths says that’s only a little over 5k per month..not too rosy methinks.

I think we are all waiting for genuine positive developments from PEEL..just when is the housing going to start and just when is the real and positive financial flow of said cash going to flow inwards?
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 20:33
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looking at the minutes of the Middleton st George parish council meeting 18 December 2017
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"Peel will carry out Infrastructure work (utilities) summer (july)2018 to Easter 2019 there would be no house builders on site till easter 2020 wich would be overseen by Peel"

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No KLM 1539 Tonight and no KLM1530 in the morning
ATC can have a lie in
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 21:13
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I think I have to come in here and and he may not thank me for doing this but Robert-Ryan is probably the only one on here that posts anything close to facts or rumours at the airport rather than unsubstantiated speculation as it appears he actually works at the airport, and my impression is that he does not always support Peel.

Of course the airport is not currently at its' lowest ebb - Loganair only started operating in October last year, so won't have a massive impact on passenger figures for last year, and also there are the new Superbreak flights for this year.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 21:40
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Superbreak flights just make up for the loss of the Newmarket breaks
if the airport is not at it`s lowest ebb does that mean it`s still has not reached it`s lowest ebb

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Bishop, I've sent you a PM, but for the benefit of other users yes Eastern's fares were a huge problem you are absolutely right, but people paid them happily for well over 10 years, it was reliability that was the issue and Loganair know it, as they've recently advertised "Loganair had 4x LESS cancellations than our competitor for flights between Durham Tees Valley and Aberdeen."

As for FoDTVA, no slavery as we would not be able to retain a membership if it was as people would leave en mass. The painting you mention was our own idea, it was unfortunate you caught me on my todd that day as there were normally three of us.

Right, back to the PPRuNe retirement home for me...
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I see Superbreaks are now operating out of Newcastle..an Iceland flight held up due weather..surprise!,

Not only loss of Newmarket but Loss of Omega Holidays also who have operated at least 2/3 or 4 specific charters per year for 5ge last 3 years?
So yes..if they all sell and prices are pretty high ,they will probably even out.
With klm decrease it looks like the Aberdeen shuttle is the only growth figure to be expected in 2018...my guess is that it will be another flat year with circa 130k passengers.
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Thanks for the support mmeman, every now and then a load of trolls come out of the woodwork and gang up on the one or two supporters and they think because there are more of them it means they are right, including one or two who are clearly headcases.

Truth is, you cannot form a full and complete opinion from the outside looking in, there are considerations that such individuals could not possibly be aware of.
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Does the addition of RNAV approaches..actually mean anything..surely it’s down to whether the aircraft are equipped to operate.Not sure what infrastructure or cost it is to the airport?
Anyone in ATC care to enlighten us all?.Sure KLM would be fine but not sure about others.. Cheers
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 10:21
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Yes, down to whether operators are equipped, but also whether RNAV approaches offer any operational advantages over ILS. Tellingly, the framework briefing document for the DTVA RNAV approaches states: "The ILS will remain the primary approach aid." RNAV approaches won't match the current 200ft decision height on the ILS in both directions.

Also "The Change Sponsor confirmed that the procedures were not being introduced to attract growth"
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In the link you find Durham Tees Valley Airport / Peels reason for wanting a changes to restrictions of use of land on south side of the airport. https://www.stockton.gov.uk/media/87...ementreg22.pdf
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In the link you find Durham Tees Valley Airport / Peels reason for wanting a changes to restrictions of use of land on south side of the airport.
Perhaps somebody should ask them what's changed that they need this amendment away from aviation related uses - classic salami slicing
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Old 5th Feb 2018, 18:55
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I did post the sections about Durham Tees Valley Airport but admin removed them so you will have to read it.

It seems Durham Tees Valley Airport / Peel are saying other airports like Newcastle, Manchester don't have the same restrictions on their land as Durham Tees Valley Airport does on its land.

They are saying the restrictions on the land make it more difficult to develop the land.

so they are asking for level playing field with the other airports.
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Yes - I've read it. So what's changed since it was originally agreed?
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