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Old 25th Dec 2019, 23:07
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Originally Posted by Loui
Does anyone know why Air Arabia has quietly dropped out BhX from October 2019?
also how Many total aircraft with Jet 2 will be based at Bhx during peak summer2020?
Jet 2 should be basing at least 13 aircraft, some days 14 are needed, of which 4 will be A321's
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Jet 2 should be basing at least 13 aircraft, some days 14 are needed, of which 4 will be A321's
How does that compare to the lost based fleets of Monarch and TC?
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How does that compare to the lost based fleets of Monarch and TC?
Matt might have a more accurate response but Monarch I believed peaked at 10 but that if correct was peak season only with the 10th operating afternoons only (could have been 9). That was a either a 6/3 or 7/3 mix favouring the A321.

Thomas Cook is easy and it was never more than 4 based - 3 x A321 and 1 x A320 but summer 18 saw 6 or 7 away based flights and 2019 none. Therefore the peak for seats was summer2018 if my memory serves me correctly.

However TUI was only 7 short-haul based in 2018, 8 in 2019 and will be nine in 2020 aircraft willing (11 in total on two days with the 787).

Jet2 of course operated 4 based in the year Monarch went out of business.

2017 could have seen 10 Monarch 8 TUI 4 FR, 4 Jet2 and 13 Flybe and 2020 could be 14 Jet2 10 TUI, 4 FR, 8 Flybe - 36. Plenty of room at the Inn as they say.

Ryanair still is equivalent of around 7 based with the away based flying so very similar, easyjet of course are way up with the addition of Glasgow and Edinburgh, Wizz is up, Blue Air down, Aegean to come back but Czezh and Air Arabia have ceased.

As Matt has stated Jet2 could quite easily become 13 as there are a lot of gaps in the schedule but some frequencies are down no doubt due to the addition of the A321.

Some minor increases are expected but of course depending on post Christmas bookings it could also go the other way.

This winter the majority of the Thomas Cook schedule has been replaced by Jet2 or to a lesser extent TUI and Enter Air. What has not been replaced is the severe Flybe cuts and there is more to come from January.

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Pete,

Thanks for your most comprehensive reply.

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Originally Posted by OltonPete
Matt might have a more accurate response but Monarch I believed peaked at 10 but that if correct was peak season only with the 10th operating afternoons only (could have been 9). That was a either a 6/3 or 7/3 mix favouring the A321.

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indeed Pete, 2017 saw the largerest Monarch base with 10 aircraft based peak season, 1 x 738, 2 x 320, and 7 321's and Thomas Cook had 4 aircraft, 1 x 320, 3 x 321, while Jet 2 had only started operations, with a base of 4 738's, TUI had 7 aircraft, 1 x 788, 3 x 757, 3 x 738, so total aircraft based in the record breaking summer 2017 was 25.

With Jet 2 having 13 or 14 aircraft, and TUI 10 aircraft provisionally for 2020, capacity will still be slightly down on 2017 levels at present, just hope the 738 Max issues dont effect TUI too much, always still possible that they might have to reduce the base due to lack of aircraft. Should know more I guess in the coming months!

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Jet 2 Summer 2020

Current Jet 2 Summer 2020 timetable attached, based on August 2020

13 based aircraft, 6 A321’s, and 7 B738’s, with the Palma based B738 visiting most days, and an Alicante B738 on Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

1 A321 is spare on Tuesday’s, 1 B738 spare on Wednesday’s, and only available slot is on Thursday from 19:00 when the Palma based aircraft could do another flight.

Only strange day is Sunday, when 1 extra B738 is needed just to operate Corfu only.
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Originally Posted by Matt995
Current Jet 2 Summer 2020 timetable attached, based on August 2020

13 based aircraft, 6 A321’s, and 7 B738’s, with the Palma based B738 visiting most days, and an Alicante B738 on Friday/Saturday/Sunday.

1 A321 is spare on Tuesday’s, 1 B738 spare on Wednesday’s, and only available slot is on Thursday from 19:00 when the Palma based aircraft could do another flight.

Only strange day is Sunday, when 1 extra B738 is needed just to operate Corfu only.
Another change, one of the A321's now seems to be a Titan 757 with a 202 config per the seat-map. GDS showing "Jet2" "757".

Thank you for pointing out that Jet2 is 13 based all but for one day although I have my suspicions it could be 14 high summer as some frequencies in April are similar to August

Austrian

Started regular schedule operations yesterday on the 195

TUI

Seem to have 5 based short-haul at times next winter (Thursday- Monday?), Punta Cana is now bookable all winter but any clues re Goa? It has already disappeared but hopefully a temporary glitch

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IrAero have applied and received approval for also the following routes started from BHX:

Moscow-Amritsar 4pw
Zhukovsky-Amritsar 4pw
Samara-Amritsar 4pw

They acquired three 777-200ER
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Who? BHX do love there oddball carriers don’t they?
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IrAero

Iraero have got permission to get flights from Moscow ,Samara and Zhukovsky to Birmingham all 4 weekly
there flights haven’t been confirmed or been taken action with but they have now got the permission!!!!
Hopefully this means there will be more flights from Birmingham this year
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Originally Posted by chinapattern
Who? BHX do love there oddball carriers don’t they?
yep😂 this is why they can’t currently sustain carriers because they either don’t make profit or the carriers cease operations
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Birmingham Airport Figured 2019

Are Lingus
no real change except less people travelling to Shannon

Air India
no flights between March and September which means less passengers

Austrian Airlines
less flights to Innsbruck

BH AirNot many flights this year to Burgas

Blue air
No real change for 2019 but there will be in 2020 with the loss of Larnaca

Brussels Airlines
More flights this year using CRJ900 and some A319

Emirates
No schedule change but more passengers

Flybe
Flybe has had less flights to many destinations this year and less routes this winter

Jet2
Probably where the most growth has been

Lauda
New Routes to Vienna and....
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Birmingham airport Figures 2019 Part 2

PIA
An extra weekly flight from October so....

Qatar
Better figures for the route to Doha this year

Ryanair
No growth probably a small decrease in flights due to Max issues

SAS
2 flights a day which is good and a few flights to Stockholm in the winter

SWISS
Less flights overall

TUI
One extra aircraft and some good usage of 757’s and a permanent 787-9 base during winter period

Turkish Airlines
extra 2 flights per week from March 2019 with more frequent a321’s

Turkmenistan Airlines
No flights from March until December which is probs quite a big loss

Wizz Air
Around 7 more flights per week from September 2019






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Birmingham airport Figures 2019 Part 3

OVERALL
with the loss of Thomas cool from October and a small loss from premira air and more flights from Wizz Air,Jet 2 ,TUi and less flights from Ryanair and Flybe there is probably not much overall change in passengers compared

2017-12.9Million
2018-12.45 Million
2019-(estimated) -between 12.4 to 12.7 million
2020-maybe around 12.7 million
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Who? BHX do love there oddball carriers don’t they?
If this article, which is less than 1 month old, has any credence then they're unlikely ever to be seen in BHX!!

Russian airline IrAero?s Boeing 777 project comes to another halt
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
If this article, which is less than 1 month old, has any credence then they're unlikely ever to be seen in BHX!!

Russian airline IrAero?s Boeing 777 project comes to another halt
perhaps they have thought that they can use the 777 that they have on lease from Birmingham to India via Russia
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November Route Analysis

Credits: CAA for passenger figures, FR24 for rotations and planespotters.net for configs. There are bound to be some errors using FR24 and some airlines have movable curtains designating where business class ends.

The first complete winter month without Thomas Cook since they went under and also with Flybe under more direct control of its new owners.

Flybe routes saw fewer flights and slightly lower load factors as no doubt the new owners tried to stem losses.

Stobart is interesting as they have totally failed thus far on the Shannon with the new timings but it hasn't hurt Cork.

Amsterdam is interesting with little movement but lower load factor reflecting more Flybe jets operating especially the 195.

Spain is a tale of two cities with Barcelona forging ahead but Ryanair decreasing Madrid helping neither pax per flight or load factor.

Geneva & Zurich still look very average but Turkey appears to be doing well. Istanbul isn't quite like for like as 2019 did see five Saturdays instead of four and it is double daily at the weekend.

Thomas Cook were classed as a scheduled airline by the CAA did and these figures don't show the full picture of their loss as Enfidha, Hurghada, Banjul, Marsa are not shown but I think I can say Jet2 and to a lesser extent TUI have done BHX proud in filling the gap with Tenerife up (Thomas Cook had 5 Tenerife's scheduled at the start of November, FUE was up as well (2 TCX planned) and Las Palmas but the latter was not a winter destination for Thomas Cook @ BHX which makes it more impressive.

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Originally Posted by simoncorbett


perhaps they have thought that they can use the 777 that they have on lease from Birmingham to India via Russia
All three of their former Emirates 77E aircraft are currently stored in Teruel in Spain not somewhere many tend to escape from to be honest

According to CH Aviation they are in dire financial state and references to Moscow and Zhukovsky is surely the same thing as that’s the airport they already use in the city for their charter operations anyway.

Be interesting to land their for the spotter through as it’s also the home of the Russian aviation test and research centre and some rather obscure frames do lurk around the edges of the field !

Samara is served currently once a day from St Petersburg, but could be used enroute India but only if Pakistan authorises over flights into Amritsar yet it has very few if any regular international services at the moment .

Given their finiancal state and actually lack of operational 777s let’s just guess how this goes forward shall we ?
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A site offering some very cheap rail tickets to Birmingham Airport has appeared www.traintoplanesaver.co.uk
If you live on the routes served it can be very cheap. £7 from Euston to Birmingham International, no time restrictions, no need to limit yourself to a given train. It looks too good to be true.
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A site offering some very cheap rail tickets to Birmingham Airport has appeared www.traintoplanesaver.co.uk
If you live on the routes served it can be very cheap. £7 from Euston to Birmingham International, no time restrictions, no need to limit yourself to a given train. It looks too good to be true.
It's the "all stations" service rather than for former Virgin West Coast express option (can't recall the name of the new franchisee), but if time isn't money, then prices like that are hard to ignore, given the cost of car parking at airports.
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