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Why wouldn't EZY not have a growing love for BHX? I'm still sceptical of a BHX base but if you take a look, the majority of BE year round routes from BHX are to established EZY bases or destinations and could therefore slot in quite nicely for EZY if there is a huge downgrade of the BE network in 2020. I'm thinking TXL, MXP, LYS, AMS, CDG, HAM, ABZ, INV..and with some W-ops BOD, LRH, NQY and NOC could also work on a seasonal basis. The only ones I'm unsure about for EZY are HAJ, STR and the Channel Isles.
After a decade of just BFS and GVA, 2 new routes in as many months means there's something up. I think it's only a matter of time for CDG and AMS if nothing else, slots depending.
After a decade of just BFS and GVA, 2 new routes in as many months means there's something up. I think it's only a matter of time for CDG and AMS if nothing else, slots depending.
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Thomas Cook /Jet2
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Best wishes for all the staff and hopefully a quick return to employment after this terrible day.
My own story is from this year and somewhat explains one of the problems they had. What turned out to be my first and last return flight on Thomas Cook Airlines was actually booked through another travel agent that took seats on their flight, which was around £100 each cheaper than on the TC site and a better choice of accommodation.
Naturally without a second thought I booked with the other travel agent from home using the agents website and it was all done within 30 minutes. My eldest daughter used TC last summer and was not impressed with the service she got for the price paid with staff in the resort unhelpful or rude and needless to say there was no booking with them this summer. They seemed to be behind the game at BHX since the arrival of Jet2.
Jet2
Clearly they had a plan as the speed additional flights have been added was breath-taking.
The 11th based aircraft has been reactivated from October with extra flights to Antalya, Dalaman, Canaries, Palma, Mahon amongst others. Some of the increased run into the winter with some days at peak times seeing 3 Arrecifes' and 3 Tenerife's a day.
October half-term seems 9 Antalya flights and 8 Dalaman, which of course were two strong Thomas Cook services.
The winter base utilises between 1 and 11 aircraft a day with Christmas, New Year and February half-term particularly well catered for.
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Best wishes for all the staff and hopefully a quick return to employment after this terrible day.
My own story is from this year and somewhat explains one of the problems they had. What turned out to be my first and last return flight on Thomas Cook Airlines was actually booked through another travel agent that took seats on their flight, which was around £100 each cheaper than on the TC site and a better choice of accommodation.
Naturally without a second thought I booked with the other travel agent from home using the agents website and it was all done within 30 minutes. My eldest daughter used TC last summer and was not impressed with the service she got for the price paid with staff in the resort unhelpful or rude and needless to say there was no booking with them this summer. They seemed to be behind the game at BHX since the arrival of Jet2.
Jet2
Clearly they had a plan as the speed additional flights have been added was breath-taking.
The 11th based aircraft has been reactivated from October with extra flights to Antalya, Dalaman, Canaries, Palma, Mahon amongst others. Some of the increased run into the winter with some days at peak times seeing 3 Arrecifes' and 3 Tenerife's a day.
October half-term seems 9 Antalya flights and 8 Dalaman, which of course were two strong Thomas Cook services.
The winter base utilises between 1 and 11 aircraft a day with Christmas, New Year and February half-term particularly well catered for.
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Everyone is behind the game versus Jet2 ! They are an outstanding outfit, from their image to their service. One would hope they've had plans in place for sometime to go some way quickly to filling the unfortunate void left by the sad demise of TCX. Maybe they can even look at expanding their offering...MCO is wide open now...
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I think one of their strengths is the ability to quickly bring in a relief aircraft if something goes wrong down line. Once you start to look at destinations such as MCO you rather lose that and you quickly make the headlines of the local papers for all the wrong reasons.
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Austria & Jet2
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Vienna bookable from Sunday 29 March Daily 195 taking over from Eurowings 12.30 - 13.15
Originally posted on F4A by Brum X but confirmed on the airlines own website
Jet2
More short-term increases on former Thomas Cook services
From 7 October
Vienna bookable from Sunday 29 March Daily 195 taking over from Eurowings 12.30 - 13.15
Originally posted on F4A by Brum X but confirmed on the airlines own website
Jet2
More short-term increases on former Thomas Cook services
From 7 October
- Tuesday extra Heraklion LS4223 up to 5 a week
- Saturday Corfu LS4227 up to 3 a week
- Sunday Larnaca LS4235 up to 4 a week
- Saturday Las Palmas LS4233 now up to 5 a week
- Wednesday Kos LS4237 now up to 3 a week
- Friday Rhodes LS4229 now up to 5 a week
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Ryanair
They don't seem to have the stomach for the fight at BHX at the moment and it appears they are getting smashed by Jet2 at least frequency wise. As an example in February 2020, Arrecife Ryanair a pathetic 2 a week down from 3 and Jet2 from 5 to up to 9 a week.
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The Sunday service has started to appear in booking engines, Islamabad from 27th October.
Turkmenistan
A possible restart around the same time if the rumours are true.
Jet2
12 based from Monday week although they don't need all 12 everyday.
By 21st October 14 needed on a Saturday for 28 flights including one away based. Very difficult to keep track of as flights are getting added on a daily basis
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Unless there is a glitch in the system... - BE appear to be cancelling BHX servives now left right and centrein BHX too for winter. I have only checked my main routes:
BHX to HAM, HAJ, MXP, TXL all appear to stop over the coming weeks?!
BHX to HAM, HAJ, MXP, TXL all appear to stop over the coming weeks?!
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Aren't those routes operated by the E175s? Maybe they are withdrawing them?
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I don't mind them cutting routes as that is there prerogative but the late nature making it difficult for alternative arrangements to be made by pax (I bet Flybe have offered to fly pax via AMS & CDG) and also to get the routes replaced.
Don't get me wrong this is not a surprise as there were rumours but why leave it 4 weeks before.
PDXCWL45
Hamburg is a Dash flight and Hanover occasionally but the others are jets and it didn't take much working out Milan had no future especially after the Manchester service curtailment was announced. Berlin Lyon, Hanover and Hamburg were also fairly obvious not so would be Stuttgart and Dusseldorf but I expect the same in the future along with the seasonal French routes leaving reduced domestics and perhaps Knock.
easyjet is the obvious replacement for Berlin, Milan, Lyon and could be operated from the European base, Hanover could be lost and maybe Hamburg by FR although they seem comatose at BHX.
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Add Lyon by the look of it.
I don't mind them cutting routes as that is there prerogative but the late nature making it difficult for alternative arrangements to be made by pax (I bet Flybe have offered to fly pax via AMS & CDG) and also to get the routes replaced.
Don't get me wrong this is not a surprise as there were rumours but why leave it 4 weeks before.
PDXCWL45
Hamburg is a Dash flight and Hanover occasionally but the others are jets and it didn't take much working out Milan had no future especially after the Manchester service curtailment was announced. Berlin Lyon, Hanover and Hamburg were also fairly obvious not so would be Stuttgart and Dusseldorf but I expect the same in the future along with the seasonal French routes leaving reduced domestics and perhaps Knock.
easyjet is the obvious replacement for Berlin, Milan, Lyon and could be operated from the European base, Hanover could be lost and maybe Hamburg by FR although they seem comatose at BHX.
Pete
I don't mind them cutting routes as that is there prerogative but the late nature making it difficult for alternative arrangements to be made by pax (I bet Flybe have offered to fly pax via AMS & CDG) and also to get the routes replaced.
Don't get me wrong this is not a surprise as there were rumours but why leave it 4 weeks before.
PDXCWL45
Hamburg is a Dash flight and Hanover occasionally but the others are jets and it didn't take much working out Milan had no future especially after the Manchester service curtailment was announced. Berlin Lyon, Hanover and Hamburg were also fairly obvious not so would be Stuttgart and Dusseldorf but I expect the same in the future along with the seasonal French routes leaving reduced domestics and perhaps Knock.
easyjet is the obvious replacement for Berlin, Milan, Lyon and could be operated from the European base, Hanover could be lost and maybe Hamburg by FR although they seem comatose at BHX.
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Berlin
It can be a typically shabby method used by some airlines to remove flights from the system on a Friday but not announcing it publicly before eventually getting around to telling the passengers, whilst all the time your money in their bank account. I am not say that this was deliberate by Flybe but it has been known to have happened before with other airlines.
The usual pathetic excuses airlines offer, is that you can't expect IT systems to be synced or updated so quickly or the flights are not actually cancelled just under review. The former would take competence and organisation and although it is not always easy to do depending on the quality of your IT systems but of course it benefits the provider a little to keep your money as long as they can.
However as yet in Flybe's case it could have been an unforeseen major IT malfunction rather than beneficial timing to give the social media team and customer services a quiet weekend..
I suppose we will have to give them the benefit of doubt if the flights were only taken off sale Friday, I suppose it isn't too unreasonable if they email you Monday but still lame in my opinion.
EDIT some flights reappear Feb half term which is odd as these are not summer flights but business flights and Berlin of course December is really popular so something is up with the IT
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Sorry to hear that Zuluboy and I am sure there would be quite a few affected by Berlin and Milan (Still in the TUI timetable for next summer).
It can be a typically shabby method used by some airlines to remove flights from the system on a Friday but not announcing it publicly before eventually getting around to telling the passengers, whilst all the time your money in their bank account. I am not say that this was deliberate by Flybe but it has been known to have happened before with other airlines.
The usual pathetic excuses airlines offer, is that you can't expect IT systems to be synced or updated so quickly or the flights are not actually cancelled just under review. The former would take competence and organisation and although it is not always easy to do depending on the quality of your IT systems but of course it benefits the provider a little to keep your money as long as they can.
However as yet in Flybe's case it could have been an unforeseen major IT malfunction rather than beneficial timing to give the social media team and customer services a quiet weekend..
I suppose we will have to give them the benefit of doubt if the flights were only taken off sale Friday, I suppose it isn't too unreasonable if they email you Monday but still lame in my opinion.
EDIT some flights reappear Feb half term which is odd as these are not summer flights but business flights and Berlin of course December is really popular so something is up with the IT
Pete
It can be a typically shabby method used by some airlines to remove flights from the system on a Friday but not announcing it publicly before eventually getting around to telling the passengers, whilst all the time your money in their bank account. I am not say that this was deliberate by Flybe but it has been known to have happened before with other airlines.
The usual pathetic excuses airlines offer, is that you can't expect IT systems to be synced or updated so quickly or the flights are not actually cancelled just under review. The former would take competence and organisation and although it is not always easy to do depending on the quality of your IT systems but of course it benefits the provider a little to keep your money as long as they can.
However as yet in Flybe's case it could have been an unforeseen major IT malfunction rather than beneficial timing to give the social media team and customer services a quiet weekend..
I suppose we will have to give them the benefit of doubt if the flights were only taken off sale Friday, I suppose it isn't too unreasonable if they email you Monday but still lame in my opinion.
EDIT some flights reappear Feb half term which is odd as these are not summer flights but business flights and Berlin of course December is really popular so something is up with the IT
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It is of course no major surprise: Connect/VS have made it clear that their focus is LHR and MAN, I should imagine the BE network from BHX will be substantially smaller next summer, thanks goodness EZY are jumping in on EDI and GLA. There is no VS operation to feed into at BHX! However it is the way that Flybe have sneakily culled these routes that have got me angry, and their lack of interest in offering any assistance to help with wrecked travel plans. Shabby as f**k.
Of course the other worry is that I doubt BHX have a Plan B, again heads will have been stuck in sand, just like years ago before BA withdrew. Flybe have been on the wire for a long time and the worry is that this could be the first in a series of culls - I would put good money on none of the French regional routes being back in 2020, at least TXL, LYS and MXP are (for now) back on sale from Feb. I guess seasonal is better than nothing.....
So, for me, Flybe's and BHX's loss will be FR and EMA's gain.....
