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Old 13th Mar 2019, 21:42
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And bad news "yet again" for Birmingham.

It does seem odd that LHR are operating ok.



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LHR slots

With LHR if you don't operate a flight for a certain period might you loose the slots? I'm pretty sure it has something to do with that.
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What is BHX left with in terms of any longer haul nowadays? Theyve never had a great record at holding routes Indian airspace issues or not
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What is BHX left with in terms of any longer haul nowadays? Theyve never had a great record at holding routes Indian airspace issues or not
On the contrary. BHX has had problems holding on to long haul westbound. Heading east BHX has held on to PIA (aside of political issues) for 20+ years, Turkemistan for a similar period, Emirates for a in excess of 10 years, and Qatar, despite all the political problems, for 3 years now. AI has been on / off mostly for operational and political reasons (AI is overtly a political football in India). This latest suspension is geopolitical, with the closure of Pakistani airspace to Indian carriers.

Westbound, I'm very pessimistic about, can't see anything viable on the horizon, and the more Manchester expands and becomes a magnet for long haul carriers, the less likely it becomes that BHX will get much more in the way of new higher frequency long haul. It was bad enough being too close to LHR, even worse now it's "too close" to what has become the UK's second most important airport for long haul!!
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Long-haul & Ryanair

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What is BHX left with in terms of any longer haul nowadays? Theyve never had a great record at holding routes Indian airspace issues or not
Depends on what you mean by long-haul but if you count the Middle East then today

EK39 A388 Dubai 11:25
QR33 B788 Doha 12:25
PK791 B772 Islamabad 15:15
TOM493 B788 Langkawi 16:55
AI117 B788 Amritsar 17:15 delayed 20:51 - 11:36 flight time
EK37 A388 Dubai 18:45

Rubbish really just two flights on the worlds biggest passenger airliner in high config, a triple seven and a TUI flight from Malaysia etc etc.

By the way Air India are selling tickets from 1st April which is a bit surprising a day after the flight was suspended and very naughty if they haven't got a solution to their problems. Whether crew shortages/aircraft are part of the issue, not many airlines could add over two hours on to a flight time and still expect to make money flying between a regional airport in India (ATQ) to a regional airport in the UK (BHX) when your main customer bases is VFR. Also I would want to be the Air India executive that made the decision when the Punjabi politicians come knocking on the door.

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Due to fly next Saturday from BHX to LPA via BRU on the 6.20am flight . I can see the last two 6.20 flights have been cancelled and tomorrow's flight is as well. Should I be worried?
Well we got a message at 9pm last night saying flight would be delayed by 3 hours this morning thus missing our connection to LPA. They have rebooked us LHR to LPA with BA so we are now on the train to Heathrow at our own expense. Interesting that the plane we were due to take this morning landed on time from Brussels last night for the night-stop so not sure what the issue is
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Well we got a message at 9pm last night saying flight would be delayed by 3 hours this morning thus missing our connection to LPA. They have rebooked us LHR to LPA with BA so we are now on the train to Heathrow at our own expense. Interesting that the plane we were due to take this morning landed on time from Brussels last night for the night-stop so not sure what the issue is
They will probably claim weather causing knock-on crewing issues and of course when you sub out a route to another airline operating a mini-fleet at the hub (Air Nostrum/Cityjet BRU) the service is at risk to disruption but this is avoidable with planning by Brussels Airline but I suspect their masters across the border are pulling the strings in respect of cost-savings

More to cheer you up - A Brussels Airlines A319 is currently flying for Swiss Geneva - Dublin so the parent airline is not short of aircraft if they can sub them out. Looking at this thread and Bristol - Brussels discussion on the Bristol thread it seems chaos is the way to describe them but not helped by the weather.

Just to rub salt in, the other SN Air Nostrum CRJX operated on time into Brussels this morning and most of the SN network is on time today other than your original aircraft running late back into Manchester. Therefore weather does not appear to be the main problem today but more likely crew hours or tech. Of course the crew hours might have been caused by the weather. The early morning departure crew I think normally arrives the day before on SN2047 which yesterday was not a CRX but an ex SAS Cityjet CRJ9 so I assume this is the issue. I doubt you can fly an Irish Registered CRJ9 one day and then a Spanish registered CRJX the next but could be wrong and maybe there wasn't a dead-head crew available (doubt there would be room on the flight for spare crew).

Air India - It was the last day today but cancelled. Still bookable from April and fares in May are normal.

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It was the last day today but cancelled. Still bookable from April and fares in May are normal.
I doubt whether anyone would be foolish enough to book flights with Air India from BHX until the Kashmir situation is resolved.
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Originally Posted by OltonPete
They will probably claim weather causing knock-on crewing issues and of course when you sub out a route to another airline operating a mini-fleet at the hub (Air Nostrum/Cityjet BRU) the service is at risk to disruption but this is avoidable with planning by Brussels Airline but I suspect their masters across the border are pulling the strings in respect of cost-savings

More to cheer you up - A Brussels Airlines A319 is currently flying for Swiss Geneva - Dublin so the parent airline is not short of aircraft if they can sub them out. Looking at this thread and Bristol - Brussels discussion on the Bristol thread it seems chaos is the way to describe them but not helped by the weather.

Just to rub salt in, the other SN Air Nostrum CRJX operated on time into Brussels this morning and most of the SN network is on time today other than your original aircraft running late back into Manchester. Therefore weather does not appear to be the main problem today but more likely crew hours or tech. Of course the crew hours might have been caused by the weather. The early morning departure crew I think normally arrives the day before on SN2047 which yesterday was not a CRX but an ex SAS Cityjet CRJ9 so I assume this is the issue. I doubt you can fly an Irish Registered CRJ9 one day and then a Spanish registered CRJX the next but could be wrong and maybe there wasn't a dead-head crew available (doubt there would be room on the flight for spare crew).

Air India - It was the last day today but cancelled. Still bookable from April and fares in May are normal.

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Brussels have been operating a Saturday Geneva -Dublin rotation for Swiss for much of the winter already.

LH Group are becoming masters of cross fleeting these days with Air Dolimiti flying for parent from Munich, whilst Austrian flying for Swiss near daily and indeed operating a few long haulers from Munich l

I have little simpathy with Zulu on his problems choosing to go via Brussels to The Canaries . There are a host of UK options available, and it’s ironic he ends up going from Heathrow at the expense of LH group on Oneworld carrier !

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Brussels have been operating a Saturday Geneva -Dublin rotation for Swiss for much of the winter already.

LH Group are becoming masters of cross fleeting these days with Air Dolimiti flying for parent from Munich, whilst Austrian flying for Swiss near daily and indeed operating a few long haulers from Munich l

I have little simpathy with Zulu on his problems choosing to go via Brussels to The Canaries . There are a host of UK options available, and it’s icronic he ends up going from Heathrow at the expense of LH group on Oneworld carrier !
Yes SN A319 each Saturday on GVA-DUB this winter and it would have been planned way before the recent problems with Cityjet/Nostrum at BHX, no doubt partly blamed on the SU95 removal although ironically the service seemed to be way more reliable with them.

A bit harsh on Zulu although I know what you mean but at BHX especially if restricted to the weekend then there is not a lot of choice, Jet2 today was sold out a while ago, TUI is basically an IT (today also) and that is it and nothing tomorrow. if you can fly weekdays then not too bad as FR and LS are usually reasonable and Thomas Cook have restated as well. In winter Personally I would try and avoid some hubs in winter with SN struggling, CDG blighted by random strikes and multi-runway AMS having cancellations due cross-winds, which I believe is due to imposed restrictions.

Terminal and airfield works

Contract awarded and includes he Elmdon site and airfield reconfiguration. MAEL hangar formally up for sale as well

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Thanks Pete. Yes as stated earlier we had to get to a wedding by 5pm. No other flight from BHX would have got us there on time on Saturday. Why would we fly from another airport Rutan when you expect your plane to arrive on time? Brussels switched us to BA as well after initially trying to route us via Frankfurt and Madrid
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I doubt whether anyone would be foolish enough to book flights with Air India from BHX until the Kashmir situation is resolved.
Waiting for the Kashmir dispute to be resolved will likely be a very long wait, beyond most of our lifetimes! I fear that simply waiting for Pakistan to allow Indian aircraft to use their airspace, which is the current problem, could be a lengthy wait.

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New x3 weekly Wizz to Krakow and Ryanair to Vienna.
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So long waiting for a new route and then two come along together !

Wizz - Krakow 3pw making this route 8pw in total on three airlines

Laudamotion - Vienna 3pw making this route daily on two airlines

Good news
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A good day for BHX...
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In light of the complete lack of route news in the last 12 months yes a good news day for BHX.

Slightly worrying that we will have 3 airlines on a leisure/VFR focused price sensitive route and 2 on another with very variable loads. Hopefully they have all done their homework!

Maybe Jet2 can leave KRK to FR and Wizz and reroute the aircraft to LIS instead....here's hoping!

But yes good news and nice to see a new airline grace BHX in 2019!
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Originally Posted by GayFriendly
In light of the complete lack of route news in the last 12 months yes a good news day for BHX.

Slightly worrying that we will have 3 airlines on a leisure/VFR focused price sensitive route and 2 on another with very variable loads. Hopefully they have all done their homework!

Maybe Jet2 can leave KRK to FR and Wizz and reroute the aircraft to LIS instead....here's hoping!

But yes good news and nice to see a new airline grace BHX in 2019!
History shows that three scheduled airlines on one route at BHX never lasts but at least the totally weekly services only amount to 8 on Krakow.

The Vienna at least is bookable on FR and again it only makes it a total of daily. Eurowings have been superb in letting the route have time to bed in but passenger figures have been low and it has suffered many cancellations or days where it normally operates but was non-ops.

If Eurowings decide to call it a day few could complain as they gave it a good go but maybe it could stimulate demand giving the option on flying one-way on each airline.

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The Vienna at least is bookable on FR and again it only makes it a total of daily. Eurowings have been superb in letting the route have time to bed in but passenger figures have been low and it has suffered many cancellations or days where it normally operates but was non-ops.
Do Eurowings interline with Austrian at Vienna? If so, perhaps their reason for being on the route is more to do with that, than shipping weekend breakers to eat exorbitantly priced Apfel Strudel and coffee in the Austrian capital.
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Do Eurowings interline with Austrian at Vienna? If so, perhaps their reason for being on the route is more to do with that, than shipping weekend breakers to eat exorbitantly priced Apfel Strudel and coffee in the Austrian capital.
Yes they do. BHX-VIE has OS codeshare flight numbers. I flew TXL-VIE-BHX booked on Expedia, ticketed on an OS ticket and was through checked at TXL for both sectors (TXL-VIE was OS, VIE-BHX of course EW). This partly explains why they have stayed on the route for so long with such variable loads (my flight on 26th Dec was just over half full).

Will be interesting to see how Lauda Motion do as it will only really suit P2P traffic unless they also offer through ticketed connections? They do operate to a fair few destinations from VIE. We all know LF's need to be high year round for a true LCC carrier to stay on a route and that's without thinking about yield. We can only assume Lauda Motion have done their homework.

Flight times suggest they are not going for the traditional weekend break market as flights are Tues/Thurs/Sat. VIE is a big land and air transport hub and it's easy to get to a lot of cities by train (both in Austria and other countries), of course a huge amount of Danube cruises depart from VIE as well so there's a lot more to the city than just being a weekend break!

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I was being a tad cynical regarding the strudel - but it is overpriced, but you can hardly blame the Viennese for milking the tourists!

As you say, there's a lot more to Vienna than weekend breaks, but the clientele for river cruises are likely to look for somewhat higher quality travel options than Ryanair Group to get to their cruise ships. River cruising is very expensive. I'd say, especially with the (unpleasant) prospect of a fall in sterling were things to go badly wrong next Friday, there'd be a good inbound market, for shopping, if nothing else.
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