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sixchannel, having once a property close by, I travelled to BHX (from my permanent residence in NL) on a regular (10x per annum average) basis for some 40 years. On the whole BHX improved over those years until, that is, it became a shopping mall and no longer an airport! Furthermore, in more recent years it has become an increasing hassle to use. Fortunately, with that UK property now gone I no longer have to make as many trips as in the past. I will however still travel to the area from time to time and I too have been considering using EMA. For this reason I would be grateful if you keep us in the loop with your experiences of EMA.
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The terminal is indeed at capacity during the summer peak where it handles between 1.25-1.50million pax per month. This is the reason for the terminal expansion which is being carried out with work starting in February. I understand that it will be a 18-24 month build process...
In addition to expansions, the airport appears to be making constant investments, having this year expanded the outbound security area to cope with demand.
The issue here, as with many other private airport its that with airlines and passenger demanding ever lower fees, the airlines themselves generate very little revenue to run the airport. I believe in an article with PK before he left, he stressed that airline fees represented only 35% of the airports income. It is now rent of retail, consumer spending, car parking and property development (hotels etc) is left to cover the remaining 65%...
obviously in countries where airports are nationalised, this isn't an issue, but as all UK airports are privates, this isn't a shock.
as has been said in other discussions, if pax were willing to pay the fare cost for flying, this wouldn't be an issue. people are happy to pay £9,99 for a ticket on Ryanair to spain, but are not willing to spend 2 hours in a tent/airport to get there.....
In addition to expansions, the airport appears to be making constant investments, having this year expanded the outbound security area to cope with demand.
The issue here, as with many other private airport its that with airlines and passenger demanding ever lower fees, the airlines themselves generate very little revenue to run the airport. I believe in an article with PK before he left, he stressed that airline fees represented only 35% of the airports income. It is now rent of retail, consumer spending, car parking and property development (hotels etc) is left to cover the remaining 65%...
obviously in countries where airports are nationalised, this isn't an issue, but as all UK airports are privates, this isn't a shock.
as has been said in other discussions, if pax were willing to pay the fare cost for flying, this wouldn't be an issue. people are happy to pay £9,99 for a ticket on Ryanair to spain, but are not willing to spend 2 hours in a tent/airport to get there.....
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You can't compare BHX and EDI without pointing out that EDI has nearly 6 million domestic passengers - it's UK's busiest domestic airport. It was only this year that Intl exceeded Domestic even in February, with all the growth in recent years being in International flights.
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Have checked a variety of dates March -June 2019 and the vast majority of flights to/from BHX scheduled to operate on RJ85 some A319''s mainly Mondays and Fridays. According to Pprune, SSJ100 being phased out hy City jet by March 19 to be replaced by RJ85 then CRJ900 in longer term.
The RJ85 or variants of were once a very common sight at BHX in AF, LH, LX, SN, EI and JY/BE colours
The RJ85 or variants of were once a very common sight at BHX in AF, LH, LX, SN, EI and JY/BE colours
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The draft Master Plan
'The aim is to be handling 18 million passengers a year by 2033 – a 40 per cent increase on the current traffic of around 13 million a year.'
'As part of the aim to handle more passengers, the airport will change the layout of its existing aircraft stands – the parking bays for passenger jets while they load and unload passengers and cargo – and build additional new stands, taking the airport from 58 operational stands today to 69 by 2033. But there will be no second runway.'
Plans show an additional parallel taxiway between the runway and the aprons to improve the flow of traffic around the terminal area. Also, the grass area between the aprons and the old cross runway is filled in to provide additional remote parking
A number of public exhibitions will take place throughout the West Midlands from November 12 to January 22, 2019, and the consultation period ends on January 31, 2019.
The final version of the master plan will be published early next year.
Interesting that in the 2007 Master Plan, the forecast passenger total for 2030 was 27.2 million - how things have changed!
'The aim is to be handling 18 million passengers a year by 2033 – a 40 per cent increase on the current traffic of around 13 million a year.'
'As part of the aim to handle more passengers, the airport will change the layout of its existing aircraft stands – the parking bays for passenger jets while they load and unload passengers and cargo – and build additional new stands, taking the airport from 58 operational stands today to 69 by 2033. But there will be no second runway.'
Plans show an additional parallel taxiway between the runway and the aprons to improve the flow of traffic around the terminal area. Also, the grass area between the aprons and the old cross runway is filled in to provide additional remote parking
A number of public exhibitions will take place throughout the West Midlands from November 12 to January 22, 2019, and the consultation period ends on January 31, 2019.
The final version of the master plan will be published early next year.
Interesting that in the 2007 Master Plan, the forecast passenger total for 2030 was 27.2 million - how things have changed!
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Interesting that in the 2007 Master Plan, the forecast passenger total for 2030 was 27.2 million - how things have changed!
Of course, politically, not going for massive expansion and a 2nd runway makes it far easier to get past the NIMBY councillors sat in Solihull too!
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No mention of improving/ expanding things for the poor old sardine-crammed Pax I see.
We've already given up on BHX and its cramped facilities its already expensive car parking and wall to wall retail and have jumped ship to EMA for 2019. Our airline of choice flys from both to our destinations at similar prices and often better timings.
Only time will tell if we've done a wrong 'un.
We've already given up on BHX and its cramped facilities its already expensive car parking and wall to wall retail and have jumped ship to EMA for 2019. Our airline of choice flys from both to our destinations at similar prices and often better timings.
Only time will tell if we've done a wrong 'un.
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Only 6m added ?
Have to say I'm really surprised at the lack of vision here.
Adding just 6m over 15 years seems to be setting the bar a bit low ?
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2023225-airport-unveils-500m-investment-plands?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=W estMidlands_6th_Nov_2018_Daily
Have to say I'm really surprised at the lack of vision here.
Adding just 6m over 15 years seems to be setting the bar a bit low ?
http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/westmidlands/news/2023225-airport-unveils-500m-investment-plands?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=W estMidlands_6th_Nov_2018_Daily
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Sixchannel - I look forward to hearing how you get on. I agree that car parking is stupidly expensive at BHX however cramped facilities? I'm guessing you're one of those pax that dumps themselves on a seat in the dark no natural light departure lounge as soon as they have exited the shopping mall chicane? Next time, take a short walk up to the gates and you will have a huge airy pier with great views of the airfield mostly to yourself, a lovely quiet Costa and loads of seating.
I have nothing against EMA but in my experience if there are more than a few flights boarding around the same time, the security queue is huge and there is absolutely nowhere to sit once through their version of a shopping mall.....
I have nothing against EMA but in my experience if there are more than a few flights boarding around the same time, the security queue is huge and there is absolutely nowhere to sit once through their version of a shopping mall.....
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Sixchannel.....No mention of improving/ expanding things for the poor old sardine-crammed Pax I see.
If you believe that you have not read the masterplan or looked at the artist impression of the expanded departure lounge which they are due to start work on Q1 2019.
As GF says, take a walk down the international pier. Nice and quiet and seats to sit on and a great view of the goings on.
If you believe that you have not read the masterplan or looked at the artist impression of the expanded departure lounge which they are due to start work on Q1 2019.
As GF says, take a walk down the international pier. Nice and quiet and seats to sit on and a great view of the goings on.
I have nothing against EMA but in my experience if there are more than a few flights boarding around the same time, the security queue is huge and there is absolutely nowhere to sit once through their version of a shopping mall.....
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I'm pretty sure PK would wince at that glacial growth target as it equates to a meagre 1.85% growth per year.
it's barely one new based 737 a year !
I'm all for not overegging the pudding but that seems incredibly low.
Is it possible they are factoring in a massive loss of demand due to HS2 ?
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A great pity if true. I flew this route in March and the flight was excellent both ways - including free drinks and a hot meal! Just like flying in days gone by - I'm wondering if they are having a route and aircraft shuffle at LCA in response to the loss of Cobalt.
We are left with just one Blue Air route to OTP, although they are increasing the frequency I seem to remember reading?
I guess it will have to be Jet2 next time....the Jet2 juggernaut rolls on.....
We are left with just one Blue Air route to OTP, although they are increasing the frequency I seem to remember reading?
I guess it will have to be Jet2 next time....the Jet2 juggernaut rolls on.....
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A great pity if true. I flew this route in March and the flight was excellent both ways - including free drinks and a hot meal! Just like flying in days gone by - I'm wondering if they are having a route and aircraft shuffle at LCA in response to the loss of Cobalt.
We are left with just one Blue Air route to OTP, although they are increasing the frequency I seem to remember reading?
I guess it will have to be Jet2 next time....the Jet2 juggernaut rolls on.....
We are left with just one Blue Air route to OTP, although they are increasing the frequency I seem to remember reading?
I guess it will have to be Jet2 next time....the Jet2 juggernaut rolls on.....
Vienna twice weekly Monday and Friday from 22 Nov 2019 - 3/1/2020 (13 flights up 7)Prague - from 2 to 4 a week 2-12-2019 - 3-1-2020 (10 extra flights)Reykjavik - odd dates 7-11-2019, 11-11-2019, 5-3-2020, 9-3-2020, 30-03-18 & 13-4-2018 (up 4)
Masterplan - Not often you say these types of plan fall into the realistic category although the 15 Million by 2023 could be taken as a lack of ambition rather than being realistic. Although it does say there are plans if more stands are required if there is better than expected growth.
Ryanair - A second Tuesday Palma added for summer 2019
Emirates - A rumour a few months back was EK39 in November was to be a 77W then the rumour changed to 3 class A388 for 3 weeks and the reality is a few 3 class on both services but much better than first feared.
TUI - Two 787's currently based Monday and Fridays (actually in most the week but one parked) as well as 4 short-haul which should all help towards a record November barring weather etc.
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Masterplan - Not often you say these types of plan fall into the realistic category although the 15 Million by 2023 could be taken as a lack of ambition rather than being realistic. Although it does say there are plans if more stands are required if there is better than expected growth.
Ryanair - A second Tuesday Palma added for summer 2019
Emirates - A rumour a few months back was EK39 in November was to be a 77W then the rumour changed to 3 class A388 for 3 weeks and the reality is a few 3 class on both services but much better than first feared.
TUI - Two 787's currently based Monday and Fridays (actually in most the week but one parked) as well as 4 short-haul which should all help towards a record November barring weather etc.
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I have a thought about the "masterplan" which I would only ever share annonymously.
If HS2 and the Birmingham Interchange do happen as planned it is predicted that the journey time to London Euston may fall to as little as 38 minutes. This would make BHX an attractive option for some people travelling to central London, and BHX would, in a way, become one of London's airports.
The airport and the city and the region would then have two options, either to market that new connectivity in some way, or to continue to market BHX solely as a gateway for Birmingham and the midlands region.
If HS2 and the Birmingham Interchange do happen as planned it is predicted that the journey time to London Euston may fall to as little as 38 minutes. This would make BHX an attractive option for some people travelling to central London, and BHX would, in a way, become one of London's airports.
The airport and the city and the region would then have two options, either to market that new connectivity in some way, or to continue to market BHX solely as a gateway for Birmingham and the midlands region.