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Brilliant stuff, OltonPete.
Love the Saturday FUE Winter addition. All the FUE Winter timings are at sensible o'clock unlike the current Summer ones which are all second aircraft rotations on the back of LS1203 /4 thus LS1229 arrives at FUE mid/late evening and worse, LS1230 is a red-eye return, arriving back at BHX when the ground handling are past caring, not that they do anyway.
Be nice to see LS1229/30 and 1203/4 swap rotations.
Love the Saturday FUE Winter addition. All the FUE Winter timings are at sensible o'clock unlike the current Summer ones which are all second aircraft rotations on the back of LS1203 /4 thus LS1229 arrives at FUE mid/late evening and worse, LS1230 is a red-eye return, arriving back at BHX when the ground handling are past caring, not that they do anyway.
Be nice to see LS1229/30 and 1203/4 swap rotations.
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MAEC - Monarch Engineering - winding up order threat from Inland Revenue...
https://news.sky.com/story/monarch-e...hreat-11517427
https://news.sky.com/story/monarch-e...hreat-11517427
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Winter 2018/9 sun routes release and some healthy increases.
Tenerife - Virtually a minimum of 9 a week often 10 and occasionally more at Christmas (8 this winter)
Arrecife - Starts at 6 at week in then 5 in December to mid Feb before going daily from half-term until the end of April (5 this November)
Las Palmas - Starts at 4 a week in November then 3 by mid month and remains 3 until it goes back to 4 mid-February (3 this November)
Fuerteventura - 3 all winter (up from 2 this coming winter)
Alicante - November up to 11 then down to 7, December 7 (not daily!) 5 in January, Feb starts at 5 and ends with 7 a week, 8 a week in March and around 9 April
Palma - Starts in November at 5 week before reducing to 2 until early January when in breaks until back to 2 weekly in February, then 3 a week in March and at least daily April (stops mid November)
Malaga - Nov up to 7 and ends at 5 until mid Feb then 6 and 7 March at least daily in April (5/6 in November 2018)
Faro - Operates all winter, November starts at 5 a week but ends at 2 a week (stops mid November 2018), Then 2 until February but ends the month with 5 a week, March 6 and April at least daily (stops Mid November in 2018)
FNC - 2 no change
Malta - November weekly until mid month and then from February
Paphos- Starts at 5 a week in November then reduces to 2 until February then 3 March and 4 April (once weekly by the end of November 2018 - February)
Larnaca - November then April (no change)Antalya - Starts at 5 a week in November reducing to 2, stays at 2 in Dec, 1 a week in January then 2 in February, 3 in March and April
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Arrecife - Starts at 6 at week in then 5 in December to mid Feb before going daily from half-term until the end of April (5 this November)
Las Palmas - Starts at 4 a week in November then 3 by mid month and remains 3 until it goes back to 4 mid-February (3 this November)
Fuerteventura - 3 all winter (up from 2 this coming winter)
Alicante - November up to 11 then down to 7, December 7 (not daily!) 5 in January, Feb starts at 5 and ends with 7 a week, 8 a week in March and around 9 April
Palma - Starts in November at 5 week before reducing to 2 until early January when in breaks until back to 2 weekly in February, then 3 a week in March and at least daily April (stops mid November)
Malaga - Nov up to 7 and ends at 5 until mid Feb then 6 and 7 March at least daily in April (5/6 in November 2018)
Faro - Operates all winter, November starts at 5 a week but ends at 2 a week (stops mid November 2018), Then 2 until February but ends the month with 5 a week, March 6 and April at least daily (stops Mid November in 2018)
FNC - 2 no change
Malta - November weekly until mid month and then from February
Paphos- Starts at 5 a week in November then reduces to 2 until February then 3 March and 4 April (once weekly by the end of November 2018 - February)
Larnaca - November then April (no change)Antalya - Starts at 5 a week in November reducing to 2, stays at 2 in Dec, 1 a week in January then 2 in February, 3 in March and April
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New route for Jet2 @ BHX - Budapest Monday and Friday from 8 November 2019. Compliments Wizz assuming they remain on the route (Tuesday/Saturday or Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday)
Rome only stays 4 a week until mid November before going Monday and Friday
Venice extends until the end of November 2019 and restarts Feb 2020
Naples and Pisa are seasonal once again with Prague and Krakow remaining 2 weekly throughout winter
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Yes, it was mentioned some weeks ago because I remember questioning the viability of it since they struggle (most of the time) to fill aircraft with 3 rotations a day. Unless they intend to make all rotations with the Dash 8, thus spreading things out a little.
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BACF - Reported on the 27th September on this thread and just routesonline once again just catching up what has been known for over a week.
Ryanair
Two of the BACF routes cancelled see increases next summer from Ryanair - Palma from 7 a week to 9, Malaga from 9 a week to 11 and Alicante from 10 a week to 11 although they were not all bookable earlier. These frequencies are similar to the high season 2018 ones but now start in early April or late March. Still 5 based departures Tuesday and Saturday but still expecting a revision to stay 4 based but you never know.
Canada/USA
Looking grim for 2019 - not even a hint of a rumour
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Ryanair
Two of the BACF routes cancelled see increases next summer from Ryanair - Palma from 7 a week to 9, Malaga from 9 a week to 11 and Alicante from 10 a week to 11 although they were not all bookable earlier. These frequencies are similar to the high season 2018 ones but now start in early April or late March. Still 5 based departures Tuesday and Saturday but still expecting a revision to stay 4 based but you never know.
Canada/USA
Looking grim for 2019 - not even a hint of a rumour
Pete
Jet2 winter 2019/20 ski
Now released with no change, Geneva both weekend days then the Thursday flight starts in February, Turin both weekend days as is Grenoble and Salzburg on a Saturday. Verona appears in the ski section of their website but I assume that is water-skiing on Garda as it operates May to October
Vueling summer 2019
Still showing an increase next summer to daily and this winter still double capacity most weeks with 4 a week (the odd Monday flight not showing)
Air Arabia Maroc
Starts Tuesday week but some worrying fares in December
Brussels Airlines
The surprise restoration of the A319 on the route this month might not last as the SU95 still showing in November but that won't last as they are being removed for summer 2019 in favour of the Cityjet CRJ9 but BHX still showing as the SU95 in GDS next summer but I expect this to change shortly to the CRJ or A319.
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ACL Winter 2018/19 Report - BHX
The winter season report shows an increase in seats of 329,502 over the previous winter (I have removed the Primera seats)
It confirms the new services by Corendon Europe to Marrakesh from Feb (1,500 seats) and Air Arabia to Agadir (15,000 seats)
Notable increase in seats by:
Eurowings
Jet2.Com
Ryanair
Thomas Cook
TUI Airways
Notable decreases in seats by:
Blue Air
Brussels Airlines
easyJet
It looks like they have made an error with the Air India slots, which is 6pw, not 3pw as shown
Total movements up by a total of just over 1000 for the season
Not a bad prospect after all the doom and gloom recently
The winter season report shows an increase in seats of 329,502 over the previous winter (I have removed the Primera seats)
It confirms the new services by Corendon Europe to Marrakesh from Feb (1,500 seats) and Air Arabia to Agadir (15,000 seats)
Notable increase in seats by:
Eurowings
Jet2.Com
Ryanair
Thomas Cook
TUI Airways
Notable decreases in seats by:
Blue Air
Brussels Airlines
easyJet
It looks like they have made an error with the Air India slots, which is 6pw, not 3pw as shown
Total movements up by a total of just over 1000 for the season
Not a bad prospect after all the doom and gloom recently
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Turkish Airlines have upgraded the afternoon flight on 18th December to an A330-200
>Later upgraded to an A330-300
>Later upgraded to an A330-300
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Winter 2018/9
ACL Winter 2018/19 Report - BHX
The winter season report shows an increase in seats of 329,502 over the previous winter (I have removed the Primera seats)
It confirms the new services by Corendon Europe to Marrakesh from Feb (1,500 seats) and Air Arabia to Agadir (15,000 seats)
Notable increase in seats by:
Eurowings
Jet2.Com
Ryanair
Thomas Cook
TUI Airways
Notable decreases in seats by:
Blue Air
Brussels Airlines
easyJet
It looks like they have made an error with the Air India slots, which is 6pw, not 3pw as shown
Total movements up by a total of just over 1000 for the season
Not a bad prospect after all the doom and gloom recently
The winter season report shows an increase in seats of 329,502 over the previous winter (I have removed the Primera seats)
It confirms the new services by Corendon Europe to Marrakesh from Feb (1,500 seats) and Air Arabia to Agadir (15,000 seats)
Notable increase in seats by:
Eurowings
Jet2.Com
Ryanair
Thomas Cook
TUI Airways
Notable decreases in seats by:
Blue Air
Brussels Airlines
easyJet
It looks like they have made an error with the Air India slots, which is 6pw, not 3pw as shown
Total movements up by a total of just over 1000 for the season
Not a bad prospect after all the doom and gloom recently
Nothing too surprising although I suppose the scale of Ryanair might have gone a bit unnoticed without the usual hype of how they saved the West Midlands from turning into a wasteland (no jokes please), However it is noticeable that there is some steady growth from Ryanair and that all routes seem to be preserved (Vilnius not bookable next summer).
easyjet have dropped Grenoble so their loss is understandable and Geneva slightly reduced as well but Belfast by February will be at record levels 3 daily except Saturday.
Blue Air dropped Cluj which operated 2-3 weekly and who knows what Brussels Airlines are doing but they fill the 319 drop it back to the SU95 - fill that and put the 319 back on it this month for it to return to the SU95. No doubt capacity readjustment by Lufthansa
The Titan ski flight is flybe this year and they have the Lleida back from EMA Jet2 which flatters Flybe's operation but Titan still showing around 14 return flights which will be interesting to know what they are unless they are car industry related and ad-hoc.
Air India of course still have the Friday Delhi removed from the schedule affecting their figures.
Swiss is also interesting as seats are down but movements up and regular A220-300 flights start today with 145 seats but I suppose a fair few 320's operated last winter at times
Eurowings increase Dusseldorf tomorrow to 4 daily in the week with the lunchtime DH8D and noticeably more Airbus flights due at present than last winter.
Pete
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Fly Car will not be operating their winter charter route between Birmingham and Arvidsjaur over the winter 2018-19 season. Their routes from Germany to Arvidsjaur will however go ahead
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Air Arabia - Maroc - First flight has been and gone to Agadir and fingers crossed this one works as it is an excellent destination (soon to be joined by TUI) but BHX's record with away based non-UK LOCO's is not the best outside of Vueling and Iberia Express.
What is the betting of a passenger number press this for October (November 2017 is the last one I can find) now that BHX should be back in positive territory?
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I am booked onto this in Jan, worryingly I booked about 6 weeks ago for £98 return, however I am travelling on Tuesdays, the Friday fares were more expensive but not excessively so....it is an excellent destination, suited to those who want to fly and beach flop as well as those (like me!) who want a bit of adventure. I do hope this one works and that they stick around longer than the usual 18 months....
I think a route to Marrakesh might attract more attention from the travelling public.
As for the pax figures, after 12 months of serious decline dare we bet on an increase in Nov? In terms of pax figures alone BHX is definitely into the third league with GLA and BRS as LTN and EDI have streaked ahead - although it will be interesting to see how EDI fares this winter with a some route and airline consolidation happening,.
I see they have managed to 'replace' the loss of DY next summer with DL to Boston. If BHX were as quick to 'replace' lost routes and carriers like this, we wouldn't be faring quite so badly.
I think a route to Marrakesh might attract more attention from the travelling public.
As for the pax figures, after 12 months of serious decline dare we bet on an increase in Nov? In terms of pax figures alone BHX is definitely into the third league with GLA and BRS as LTN and EDI have streaked ahead - although it will be interesting to see how EDI fares this winter with a some route and airline consolidation happening,.
I see they have managed to 'replace' the loss of DY next summer with DL to Boston. If BHX were as quick to 'replace' lost routes and carriers like this, we wouldn't be faring quite so badly.
I see they have managed to 'replace' the loss of DY next summer with DL to Boston. If BHX were as quick to 'replace' lost routes and carriers like this, we wouldn't be faring quite so badly.
I can honestly only see two non London airports in UK getting real international / long haul traffic growth in the next decade or so, Edinburgh and Manchester. That's not to say the rest will stagnate, but they'll carry on doing what they do, shipping bucket and spaders to the usual places to toast for 2 weeks in the sun, and ferry business travelers via major European and middle eastern hubs.
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Its interesting that you people put Birmingham into a 3rd league with LTN and EDI now leaving us behind, but with the exception of pax figures, I would never put LTN and EDI into the same league. You have the likes of EDI which does have a great range of airlines (35 on wiki) and a good list of TATL connections but is massively variable with regard to seasonal routes. Of its 7x TATL routes:
With regard to other long-haul routes, the only other EDI has is daily Dubai, daily Doha and 2x weekly Beijing, which compared to our 2x daily Dubai, daily Doha, 6x weekly Dehli/Amritsar , 3x weekly Islamabad, 5x weekly Turkmenistan, plus TUI Long-haul, BHX isn't doing too bad.
With regard to Luton, this is an airport that doesn't have a single TATL route, and only has 11 airlines, which, with the exception of El Al (very random) and a season Iberia Express link to Vigo, all other airline and routes are either LCC or Holiday airlines. Yes the capacity they have some of their European routes are stunningly impressive, again, a fraction of which I would love to see at BHX, but alas, I wouldn't trade off our long-haul routes for that…
Just an interesting perspective. Both LTN and Edi are doing well, but both have major shortfalls in what we would like out of BHX. BHX also have elements in their route portfolio that I suspect both EDI and LTN would love to have but alas the markets between BHX, LTN and EDI are so varied they almost can't be compared!
- Air Canada -Toronto (Seasonal)
- American - Philadelphia (Seasonal)
- Delta Airlines - Boston (Seasonal), JFK (Seasonal)
- United - Chicago (Seasonal), Washington (Seasonal), Newark
With regard to other long-haul routes, the only other EDI has is daily Dubai, daily Doha and 2x weekly Beijing, which compared to our 2x daily Dubai, daily Doha, 6x weekly Dehli/Amritsar , 3x weekly Islamabad, 5x weekly Turkmenistan, plus TUI Long-haul, BHX isn't doing too bad.
With regard to Luton, this is an airport that doesn't have a single TATL route, and only has 11 airlines, which, with the exception of El Al (very random) and a season Iberia Express link to Vigo, all other airline and routes are either LCC or Holiday airlines. Yes the capacity they have some of their European routes are stunningly impressive, again, a fraction of which I would love to see at BHX, but alas, I wouldn't trade off our long-haul routes for that…
Just an interesting perspective. Both LTN and Edi are doing well, but both have major shortfalls in what we would like out of BHX. BHX also have elements in their route portfolio that I suspect both EDI and LTN would love to have but alas the markets between BHX, LTN and EDI are so varied they almost can't be compared!
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Is BHX now "full"?
Having endured the sky high (loll) car parking charges, constant long security queues and packed to the rafters Airside facilities for far too long we have jumped ship to EMA for 2019s flights. Can't be any worse. Much lower profile airport for sure and not full of Bling shops and maybe thats a good thing.
But it begs the question - is BHX actually over capacity in its ability to support its current throughflow of Pax, let alone chase after more? Where they going to put them? I daresay the runway and tech facilities can cope with more movements but those extra folks have to go 'somewhere'.
Chasing ever bigger numbers might get the Upper Echelons their praise and bonuses but BHX is, in the end, a Service Industry. So serve what you can handle.
But it begs the question - is BHX actually over capacity in its ability to support its current throughflow of Pax, let alone chase after more? Where they going to put them? I daresay the runway and tech facilities can cope with more movements but those extra folks have to go 'somewhere'.
Chasing ever bigger numbers might get the Upper Echelons their praise and bonuses but BHX is, in the end, a Service Industry. So serve what you can handle.