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I hadn't considered that. However I doubt it would be the case, more likely Airbus would tell Primera how much had to spend on sub chartering equipmetn and they made the choice.
Whatever it's a bad one, no doubt.
At least, unlike Highland Express, they have actually operated their first flight!
Whatever it's a bad one, no doubt.
At least, unlike Highland Express, they have actually operated their first flight!
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Daz, you don't half get excited about these things...
There's not many operators who will have approval flying from the UK into US airports. Titan keeps getting touted. These guys are amongst the most expensive especially if chartered off contract.
It's unfortunate but no doubt they have their hands tied with choice of operator. In fact National have been contracted till August therefore making each individual flight a lot cheaper. Too late in the season to change things some times.
There's not many operators who will have approval flying from the UK into US airports. Titan keeps getting touted. These guys are amongst the most expensive especially if chartered off contract.
It's unfortunate but no doubt they have their hands tied with choice of operator. In fact National have been contracted till August therefore making each individual flight a lot cheaper. Too late in the season to change things some times.
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TUI Winter 2018/9
Enfidha to continue into winter on a Friday before the Marrakech. Also added on a Friday is a second Hurghada making 4 short-haul required as well as Saturday and Sunday.
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Belfast City last inbound Monday and Tuesday (6th outbound) has been cut all winter as has the Glasgow but Monday only.
Birmingham South?
It appears that a second attempt was made this Tuesday to open up Birmingham south if FR24 data is anywhere near accurate with the replay facility showing Blue Air flight 0B151 (BMS7MB) from Bucharest descended down to around 675ft at 16.24 local (15.24 GMT) around the Balsall Common area (3-4 miles out?) before breaking off the approach and landing safely.
Maybe someone with more expertise might have a different or more accurate opinion or if indeed 675ft is a true reflection of the height it went around.
Anyone want to follow it with FR24 can see it on Tuesday 22 May YR-BMO 15.24 GMT.
After the Mahan Air incident albeit a few miles further out and lower this is fairly low for a built up area. Question is would this have happened with a fully serviceable ILS?
Not sure if the extended turnaround indicates some explaining was required or a knock from the ATC delays that day.
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Enfidha to continue into winter on a Friday before the Marrakech. Also added on a Friday is a second Hurghada making 4 short-haul required as well as Saturday and Sunday.
Flybe
Belfast City last inbound Monday and Tuesday (6th outbound) has been cut all winter as has the Glasgow but Monday only.
Birmingham South?
It appears that a second attempt was made this Tuesday to open up Birmingham south if FR24 data is anywhere near accurate with the replay facility showing Blue Air flight 0B151 (BMS7MB) from Bucharest descended down to around 675ft at 16.24 local (15.24 GMT) around the Balsall Common area (3-4 miles out?) before breaking off the approach and landing safely.
Maybe someone with more expertise might have a different or more accurate opinion or if indeed 675ft is a true reflection of the height it went around.
Anyone want to follow it with FR24 can see it on Tuesday 22 May YR-BMO 15.24 GMT.
After the Mahan Air incident albeit a few miles further out and lower this is fairly low for a built up area. Question is would this have happened with a fully serviceable ILS?
Not sure if the extended turnaround indicates some explaining was required or a knock from the ATC delays that day.
Pete
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Birmingham South?
It appears that a second attempt was made this Tuesday to open up Birmingham south if FR24 data is anywhere near accurate with the replay facility showing Blue Air flight 0B151 (BMS7MB) from Bucharest descended down to around 675ft at 16.24 local (15.24 GMT) around the Balsall Common area (3-4 miles out?) before breaking off the approach and landing safely.
Maybe someone with more expertise might have a different or more accurate opinion or if indeed 675ft is a true reflection of the height it went around.
Anyone want to follow it with FR24 can see it on Tuesday 22 May YR-BMO 15.24 GMT.
After the Mahan Air incident albeit a few miles further out and lower this is fairly low for a built up area. Question is would this have happened with a fully serviceable ILS?
Not sure if the extended turnaround indicates some explaining was required or a knock from the ATC delays that day.
Pete
It appears that a second attempt was made this Tuesday to open up Birmingham south if FR24 data is anywhere near accurate with the replay facility showing Blue Air flight 0B151 (BMS7MB) from Bucharest descended down to around 675ft at 16.24 local (15.24 GMT) around the Balsall Common area (3-4 miles out?) before breaking off the approach and landing safely.
Maybe someone with more expertise might have a different or more accurate opinion or if indeed 675ft is a true reflection of the height it went around.
Anyone want to follow it with FR24 can see it on Tuesday 22 May YR-BMO 15.24 GMT.
After the Mahan Air incident albeit a few miles further out and lower this is fairly low for a built up area. Question is would this have happened with a fully serviceable ILS?
Not sure if the extended turnaround indicates some explaining was required or a knock from the ATC delays that day.
Pete
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A320 LY-VNZ arrives today to be summer based, it replaces A321 LY-VEA, which positions to Manchester
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Jet2 - One airline with no such worries and going from strength to strength. The latest increases are winter 2018/9 and they seem to go beyond what the BHX press release mentioned a few months back.
Antalya as described is now bookable until January and only stops for around 6 weeks and returns twice a week in February.
Funchel was "up to 2 flights a week" and originally the second started in mid February and it is now all winter.
Venice - not even mentioned in the winter press release - Now bookable twice a week from February
Rome - available at twice a week - Now 4 a week from mid February.
Christmas/ New Year - Up to eight aircraft based some days with 14 flights on a Saturday which maybe only 3 weeks but it is impressive. Alicante, Arrecife and Tenerife are double daily on three days and even Palma added on a Saturday with a third weekly flight added in March.
Brussels Airlines - There is always a downside isn't there? The high summer reductions have started early with it going to two daily on the SU95 with the third flight returning September and the A319 after today in October. Loads have been fantastic so obviously yields feeling the pressure.
Turkmenistan - The current low season decreases should be restored by mid July with the 77L making an appearance again
Fly One - Chisinau restarted yesterday with a longer season intended
Diverts - a few days into the Luton restrictions and first arrived in the early hours although it seems it was SEN 2 v BHX 1 the score last night
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Tuesday 5th June 2018.Primera Air to Suspend Transatlantic Services from Birmingham
Birmingham Airport is disappointed to confirm that Primera Air will temporarily suspend flights to New York and Toronto from 21st June due the ongoing late delivery of its long-haul A321neo aircraft from Airbus. Primera Air has confirmed that it plans to reinstate transatlantic services next year once the aircraft is available and that this announcement does not affect Primera Air’s short haul services in operation from Birmingham. Since launching New York services last month, load factors have been positive, averaging 70%. This reinforces our knowledge that the demand for flights between Birmingham and North America is strong, with a market size already using Birmingham of more than 130,000 passengers.
The carrier is contacting all customers booked on services from the 21st June to give refunds or transfer onto other services. Flights to Toronto were due to start on the 26th June. We apologise to customers for the inconvenience but stress that this only affects Primera's transatlantic flights and is a temporary measure until a new aircraft is available. Affected customers can contact Primera Air at [email protected] or call +44 (0) 148 223 5180. If customers have pre-booked car parking from Birmingham, a full refund will be given by contacting [email protected].
Birmingham Airport is disappointed to confirm that Primera Air will temporarily suspend flights to New York and Toronto from 21st June due the ongoing late delivery of its long-haul A321neo aircraft from Airbus. Primera Air has confirmed that it plans to reinstate transatlantic services next year once the aircraft is available and that this announcement does not affect Primera Air’s short haul services in operation from Birmingham. Since launching New York services last month, load factors have been positive, averaging 70%. This reinforces our knowledge that the demand for flights between Birmingham and North America is strong, with a market size already using Birmingham of more than 130,000 passengers.
The carrier is contacting all customers booked on services from the 21st June to give refunds or transfer onto other services. Flights to Toronto were due to start on the 26th June. We apologise to customers for the inconvenience but stress that this only affects Primera's transatlantic flights and is a temporary measure until a new aircraft is available. Affected customers can contact Primera Air at [email protected] or call +44 (0) 148 223 5180. If customers have pre-booked car parking from Birmingham, a full refund will be given by contacting [email protected].
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Primera long haul has been a disaster at BHX. If it does transpire UA and TS pulled BHX due to Primera then this has been a huge backfire for the Airport.
realistically, even if PF do relaunch long haul next summer, who in the area are going to touch them after all this?
realistically, even if PF do relaunch long haul next summer, who in the area are going to touch them after all this?
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Well, well, well, that has to be the biggest non-surprise news. I agree with LAX-LHR, a total disaster from the word go, a huge back step for the airport and the death knell for scheduled TATL from BHX. IF they re-launch next year, who on earth will have any confidence to book with them? I'm not sure I would even book a short haul flight with them right now.
I predicted they wouldn't be back next summer but hoped they would drag themselves through this one.
BHX lies around 80-90 miles from LHR and MAN and it will be these airports that now serve the vast majority of Midlands demand for scheduled TATL flights, along with EI flights through DUB.
We will never know why UA and TS pulled out so closely together but it seems coincidental PF was announced just a few weeks later when these sorts of new route and airline negotiations take months if not years in some cases? Primera must have really talked the talk but sadly have barely walked. I should imagine there are some very worried faces in DH right now.
Thoughts must go to the flight, cabin crew and ground teams who were recruited on the basis of 2 x daily A321 TATL flights and now (I assume) are out of work? (If indeed they even started work?)
As for BHX, Jet2, TUI and TCX have breathed life into leisure short haul after the demise of ZB and our long standing legacy carriers appear to have solid operations. Going east, AI are a success story and both EK and QR are holding their own. TATL scheduled flights though are a thing of the past. Let's move on and forget this whole sorry episode.
I predicted they wouldn't be back next summer but hoped they would drag themselves through this one.
BHX lies around 80-90 miles from LHR and MAN and it will be these airports that now serve the vast majority of Midlands demand for scheduled TATL flights, along with EI flights through DUB.
We will never know why UA and TS pulled out so closely together but it seems coincidental PF was announced just a few weeks later when these sorts of new route and airline negotiations take months if not years in some cases? Primera must have really talked the talk but sadly have barely walked. I should imagine there are some very worried faces in DH right now.
Thoughts must go to the flight, cabin crew and ground teams who were recruited on the basis of 2 x daily A321 TATL flights and now (I assume) are out of work? (If indeed they even started work?)
As for BHX, Jet2, TUI and TCX have breathed life into leisure short haul after the demise of ZB and our long standing legacy carriers appear to have solid operations. Going east, AI are a success story and both EK and QR are holding their own. TATL scheduled flights though are a thing of the past. Let's move on and forget this whole sorry episode.
As for BHX, Jet2, TUI and TCX have breathed life into leisure short haul after the demise of ZB and our long standing legacy carriers appear to have solid operations. Going east, AI are a success story and both EK and QR are holding their own. TATL scheduled flights though are a thing of the past. Let's move on and forget this whole sorry episode.
I'm sure BHX management realises that, and will be playing to the airport's strengths, unless of course an American legacy carrier comes in promising the earth, though United aside, their performance over the years from Birmingham has hardly been sparkling!
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Undue dig at LHR LAX IMO...we're all supporters of regional air travel, whether that be at BHX or MAN. The fact LHR already supports 100+ services per day across the pond and BHX cant keep hold of a single one is a travesty. So many underused terminals and runways across the UK but we're in for another 700 movements a day at LHR, just does not make sense and I so feel for BHX. I'm sure the people of the midlands do not particularly want to be forced to travel to London, Manchester or Dublin. LHR R3 is a nail in the coffin for UK regional airports if rubber stamped and built, unless your LPL etc than MAY end up with the odd shuttle !!
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Seriously, can we not just give it up. All I have done is comment on the loss of the service. There was nothing derogatory, no insults or anything offensive. I wasn’t even the one to break the news ffs.
An Airline cuts flights and there is more comment about the fact I have posted than the news itself. Priorities in the wrong order here I think.
thats all I’m going to say as don’t want to risk a banning for doing nothing wrong, but how about we now get back to Airline news rather than if I comment or not.
An Airline cuts flights and there is more comment about the fact I have posted than the news itself. Priorities in the wrong order here I think.
thats all I’m going to say as don’t want to risk a banning for doing nothing wrong, but how about we now get back to Airline news rather than if I comment or not.
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I agree that it will be even harder for them next year after this LAX, but who is left to fill the void ? There has to be something for Birmingham going west. NAX maybe ? One of the US3 again when they get single isle airbuses capable ? Must be somebody...
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I won't bother too much picking over the bones of the Primera decision as there were three longhaul bases and BHX was chosen to go and there is very little one can add or dress up about that.
However westbound is not dead just yet especially Canada as there are a few targets to aim for now the MAX is in operation with Canadian carriers and the 321 NEO LR not too far behind.
New York is an issue with BA, AA, UA and now Primera all history (2019 really?) - rumours come and go and nothing now on the horizon. Sometimes everything has to be right, such right airline, right aircraft, right destination, right product, right marketing and Primera certainly didn't tick all those boxes in order for a route to work (some of it not their fault) but in the future you never know. I actually thought the Monarch MAX rumour was a good one and not as daft as it sounds other than the timing (minus their financial situation of course) and maybe if BHX's current golden airline ordered MAX they could give it a go as they do operate to cities as well as sun routes.
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Not been a good time for BHX since Monarch, it was only a couple of years ago and new airlines/routes were frequently being announced. I am surprised that no Chinese link has been announced given all the noise when the charters operated and of course the runway capability? There are strong commercial links, particularly Automotive etc. between China and the Midlands, educational links are also strong especially with Warwick Uni amongst others, and there are strong tourist pulls as well, too obvious to mention. Given all the noise with new additional Chinese links to MAN (well done) and EDI and DUB. I would have thought in all this expansion there would have been room for a BHX link, either as a stop as in EDI/DUB or a add on to say BRU/DUS etc.etc. Maybe I'm being naïve, but there must be strong freight demand too? Well I'm not well informed so this might all be pie in the sky from me, perhaps those with more knowledge might like to enlighten me?
Not been a good time for BHX since Monarch, it was only a couple of years ago and new airlines/routes were frequently being announced. I am surprised that no Chinese link has been announced given all the noise when the charters operated and of course the runway capability? There are strong commercial links, particularly Automotive etc. between China and the Midlands, educational links are also strong especially with Warwick Uni amongst others, and there are strong tourist pulls as well, too obvious to mention. Given all the noise with new additional Chinese links to MAN (well done) and EDI and DUB. I would have thought in all this expansion there would have been room for a BHX link, either as a stop as in EDI/DUB or a add on to say BRU/DUS etc.etc. Maybe I'm being naïve, but there must be strong freight demand too? Well I'm not well informed so this might all be pie in the sky from me, perhaps those with more knowledge might like to enlighten me?
Manchester has historically been ahead of BHX in the airport stakes, really ever since BHX stagnated, rather than being properly developed back in the 1960s. Too late BHX got a proper terminal, fit for the 2nd half of the 20th century, and at a time when long haul aircraft needed long runways Manchester's was the right length, and by the time BHX got a runway of adequate length Manchester was already well established, albeit with afairly limited long haul base.
Fast forward to the last couple of years, and Manchester has now made a quantum leap from being a niche airport for a few long haul operators, to a global airport that carriers are falling over to serve, and can offer reasonable frequencies to destinations that other regional airports will never be able to support. From the point of view of the Midlands economy, having two major intercontinental airports within comparatively easy reach by road or rail is really advantageous, though obviously not so beneficial as having that major gateway on it's doorstep.
On a much smaller scale, people in the East Midlands bemoan the fact that there are no multi-daily connection between EMA and major European cities, but the reasons are the same as the MAN/BHX situation, BHX is already well established as THE Midlands gateway to Europe, and much as the East Midlands Chambers of Commerce would like it, a 4 x daily Frankfurt service by Lufthansa isn't about to happen.
Much as I would to see BHX compete with MAN, having been born and raised within earshot of BHX, it's like expecting Coventry City to beat Manchester City in the FA Cup final - it won't happen and we have to accept that, move on, and play to the airport's and regions strengths. The major fly in the ointment here isn't MAN, or local politicians it is how HMG plays out the whole Brexit thing. If they are stupid and short sighted, and don't make a good deal for UK industry and commerce all airports, BHX and MAN included may find things tough in the European theatre, which will make things that much more difficult for BHX in particular, which has more to lose comparatively than MAN. I really don't believe that doomsday scenario will arise though.