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Pete, I've just read your post and then scrolled down to Manchester. I know you'll have the answer, but given the loss of very similar scale of ops by Monarch at BHX and MAN why does BHX have a -3 figure for March whereas MAN has +3? So MAN have been able to not only make the loss up but grow as well.
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Pete, I've just read your post and then scrolled down to Manchester. I know you'll have the answer, but given the loss of very similar scale of ops by Monarch at BHX and MAN why does BHX have a -3 figure for March whereas MAN has +3? So MAN have been able to not only make the loss up but grow as well.
- At BHX, in Summer 2017, Monarch provided 1,525,896 seats out of the 11,414,655 seats available. This results in a 13.7% share of the seats which BHX will loose in Summer 2018.
- At MAN, in Summer 2017, Monarch provided 1,484,440 seats out of the 23,358,022 seats available. This results in a 6.4% share of the seats which MAN will loose in Summer 2018.
if BHX is only down -3% and MAN is up only +3%, in the scenario that no longer consider Monarch, then BHX will have actually have grown +10.7% and MAN will have actually have grown +9.4%. Based on this very simple scenario (which is of course a lot more complex than just monarch) it shows that both airports have recovered to a similar scale following the loss of Monarch....
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According to the STN thread, Primera are using the National 757 to launch BHX-EWR from 18th May until 29th July. It will only operate 6 x weekly until launch of YYZ when both services will be 3 x weekly. From 30th July I assume the A321 takes over as the 4 x EWR and 3 x YYZ weekly schedule seemingly starts. A's this is the aircraft that has gone tech so often at STN this does not bode well, although it looks like they've allowed a day in the week non op to help catch up with potential delays. As you can imagine STN posters are pleased to be rid of this unreliable beast.
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
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According to the STN thread, Primera are using the National 757 to launch BHX-EWR from 18th May until 29th July. It will only operate 6 x weekly until launch of YYZ when both services will be 3 x weekly. From 30th July I assume the A321 takes over as the 4 x EWR and 3 x YYZ weekly schedule seemingly starts. A's this is the aircraft that has gone tech so often at STN this does not bode well, although it looks like they've allowed a day in the week non op to help catch up with potential delays. As you can imagine STN posters are pleased to be rid of this unreliable beast.
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
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According to the STN thread, Primera are using the National 757 to launch BHX-EWR from 18th May until 29th July. It will only operate 6 x weekly until launch of YYZ when both services will be 3 x weekly. From 30th July I assume the A321 takes over as the 4 x EWR and 3 x YYZ weekly schedule seemingly starts. A's this is the aircraft that has gone tech so often at STN this does not bode well, although it looks like they've allowed a day in the week non op to help catch up with potential delays. As you can imagine STN posters are pleased to be rid of this unreliable beast.
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
The only was is up for Primera after such an abysmal start?
A Primera flight arrived today in the guise of a Cello B733 empty from Dublin which is believed to be operating the Tuesday Malaga.
Tomorrow which is the start of the base is due to be operated by a Primera B738 which is due in the morning. The aircraft is currently flying Zagreb - KEF.
Tuesday - Thursday & Saturday Palma remains non-ops as does the Wednesday, Thursday & Saturday Malaga.
Still the 757 on Newark Friday?
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Looks like Primera have cut back on flights before they've even started. Perhaps the public have other ideas about travelling to the States.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
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Looks like Primera have cut back on flights before they've even started. Perhaps the public have other ideas about travelling to the States.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
More to do with aircraft that the travelling public.
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Looks like Primera have cut back on flights before they've even started. Perhaps the public have other ideas about travelling to the States.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...-may-aug-2018/
There were reports of issues yesterday after it arrived from the US yesterday.
I assume this airline hasn't any money to use a reliable airline or perhaps find one with available aircraft but in the mean-time OY-PAA is over the Atlantic on Stansted - Boston 15 minutes late and CS-TKR Euroatlantic 763 has departed CDG just 24 minutes behind departure time.
Just what BHX needs after suffering many transatlantic setbacks, an airline that starts on the back-foot although I realise the engine manufacturer is mainly to blame.
On a positive note Primera operated both the Malaga and Palma with their own aircraft. Shame the 738 could not have been used via KEF but I suppose they are not ETOPS.
BA are back in the early hours 03.30 from Palma then operates Florence, Palma and Malaga tomorrow.
Flybe start Verona tomorrow for TUI and EFL as per 2017.
TUI now 8 based. Next up Jet2 with aircraft 8 in a few days.
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Quelle suprise!!! This is not what BHX want or deserve. You would have thought that Primera would have pulled out all the stops to see the first flight depart on time and charter a decent carrier. So we have this outfit until the end of July? I hope they come up with a plan C during this period.
When customers find that this carrier is so unreliable then I wouldn't be surprised to see further cuts.
When customers find that this carrier is so unreliable then I wouldn't be surprised to see further cuts.
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Quelle suprise!!! This is not what BHX want or deserve. You would have thought that Primera would have pulled out all the stops to see the first flight depart on time and charter a decent carrier. So we have this outfit until the end of July? I hope they come up with a plan C during this period.
When customers find that this carrier is so unreliable then I wouldn't be surprised to see further cuts.
When customers find that this carrier is so unreliable then I wouldn't be surprised to see further cuts.
I had heard it was going to be Titan, although it was unconfirmed.
if it’s any consolation the 321 is going down well with customers and not only are the flights departing and arriving pretty much on time I’m also hearing it’s alot more comfortable than the traditional airlines over the Atlantic.
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Is it the old unreliable National 752 ?
I had heard it was going to be Titan, although it was unconfirmed.
if it’s any consolation the 321 is going down well with customers and not only are the flights departing and arriving pretty much on time I’m also hearing it’s alot more comfortable than the traditional airlines over the Atlantic.
Confirmed it is National and it is the same one, Delayed now until at least 22.30.
Shame they couldn't use the Virgin A332 that has just landed for MAEL
now there is an excellent aircraft for transatlantic 
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Airborne around 4 1/2 hours late
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This is disgusting, how on earth can primera carry on with National after all the cancellations and delays at Stansted.
i would not be surprised if tonight’s flight is cancelled.
im absolutely shocked it’s the same aircraft.
at least all on board will get loads of competition which will be more than they payed for the flight.
i would not be surprised if tonight’s flight is cancelled.
im absolutely shocked it’s the same aircraft.
at least all on board will get loads of competition which will be more than they payed for the flight.
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This is disgusting, how on earth can primera carry on with National after all the cancellations and delays at Stansted.
i would not be surprised if tonight’s flight is cancelled.
im absolutely shocked it’s the same aircraft.
at least all on board will get loads of competition which will be more than they payed for the flight.
i would not be surprised if tonight’s flight is cancelled.
im absolutely shocked it’s the same aircraft.
at least all on board will get loads of competition which will be more than they payed for the flight.