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I'm curious as to what the VLM loads have been like. Have they operated all flights as planned?
As far as I know all flights have operated but only heard about a few loads which were less than stellar!

easyjet winter 2018/9

Belfast is similar in frequency with the 3rd Sunday service returning but Wednesday is double daily only.

Geneva - Showing a reduction on Monday and Wednesday with just the one flight.

Grenoble - Not bookable but this would not be a surprise with Jet2 operating Saturday and Sunday. Load factors in the past have been very un-easyjet like (well below the network average).

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18:15 ATQ AI117 B788 19:45 AI118 ATQ Sat 05May - 27Oct

This is an additional weekly Delhi via Amritsar service, making a total of 8 Air India services per week

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18:15 ATQ AI117 / 19:45 AI118 ATQ Sat 28Apr - 27Oct

This is an additional weekly Delhi via Amritsar service, making a total of 8 Air India services per week
Nice. Two Air India 787s on the ground at the same time.
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Yes Air India bookable double daily on Saturady and hopefully this will be expanded to 10pw as demand is high
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New Jet2 routes

Bourgas (x2 weekly), Chania (x1 weekly) and Izmir (x1 weekly) added for Summer 19.
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Load factor Primera

Do we know how Primera are doing?
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Primera bookings are in line with expectations
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Primera bookings are in line with expectations
Depends what the expectations are. Are they reasonable for a 1st year operations, or are they being too optimistic?
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KLM will be using a leased Carpatair F100 on the evening AMS service for the forseeable future
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Anyone know the reason for the brief visit of the Azeri A319?
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Anyone know the reason for the brief visit of the Azeri A319?
Charter flight for Mercedes F1 I believe.
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Primera

When do they start at BHX? Can't be long....I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by the start of new flights by a new operator at BHX.

It doesn't seem like they have got off to a good start at STN in terms of reliability, punctuality or customer service according to a number of posts on that thread. There have been a fair few cancellations of trans-Atlantic flights, leaving pax stranded in the process. I hope they do better at BHX.

I'm still very sceptical about them and will be astounded (but equally delighted) to see them carry on for Summer 2019.
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Primera start in two weeks after the first day the flights to PMI and AGP are canx !
New York starts on 18rh
hopefully after this date all flights settle down
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When do they start at BHX? Can't be long....I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by the start of new flights by a new operator at BHX.

It doesn't seem like they have got off to a good start at STN in terms of reliability, punctuality or customer service according to a number of posts on that thread. There have been a fair few cancellations of trans-Atlantic flights, leaving pax stranded in the process. I hope they do better at BHX.

I'm still very sceptical about them and will be astounded (but equally delighted) to see them carry on for Summer 2019.
The current plan is Malaga and Palma start on the 14 May on the A321 NEO, Tuesday the Malaga operates again as the A321 NEO but then doesn't run to Friday 18th on the 738, then skips Saturday before operating daily from Sunday 20th May. Palma does not operate 15, 16, 17 or 19th May and again on the 18th it is on the 738 and daily from 20th May.

The A321 NEO starts daily on the Newark on Friday 18 May until Friday 22 June when Toronto starts Saturday 23 June 3 times a week and Newark goes 4 a week.

Other stuff - The third Oman Boeing 788 arrived today alas for MAEL only but good to see them thriving even if it is at RR expense.

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Originally Posted by GayFriendly
When do they start at BHX? Can't be long....I don't think I've ever been so underwhelmed by the start of new flights by a new operator at BHX.

It doesn't seem like they have got off to a good start at STN in terms of reliability, punctuality or customer service according to a number of posts on that thread. There have been a fair few cancellations of trans-Atlantic flights, leaving pax stranded in the process. I hope they do better at BHX.

I'm still very sceptical about them and will be astounded (but equally delighted) to see them carry on for Summer 2019.
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Without casting any doubts on the viability or competence of the organisation responsible - Questions that need to be legitimately asked are ? What is the accumulated knowledge base of the organisation; in the context of the operation of the equipment used and operational demands of the route base. What is the accumulated; engineering knowledge of their base organisation ? and resource base available. Certification accepted.? Can they sustain the possible cost consequences associated with the uncertainty associated with; the complexity of establishing [ Edit: a ] New complex commercial enterprise.

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Very Briefly

Without casting any doubts on the viability or competence of the organisation responsible - Questions that need to be legitimately asked are ? What is the accumulated knowledge base of the organisation; in the context of the operation of the equipment used and operational demands of the route base. What is the accumulated; engineering knowledge of their base organisation ? and resource base available. Certification accepted.? Can they sustain the possible cost consequences associated with the uncertainty associated with; the complexity of establishing [ Edit: a ] New complex commercial enterprise.

Every success to the Company.

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It is a worry after the Boston fiasco and now a few Malaga and Palma flights cancelled soon after starting but it seems some positive news on the Primera thread with the next two aircraft now having engines.

Air India - A first for them at BHX with two scheduled flights from India today with just 25 minutes separating AI113 and AI117 on landing.

Thomas Cook & Condor - Rumour that the 4th A321 (Avion) is permanent in place of the Avion A320 and a surprise visitor today was a Condor 767 diversion on Toronto - Frankfurt due crew duty hours. Seems to have been well organised with the new crew arriving on LH954 from Frankfurt and it appears it was in for just over an hour. In a twist the LH954 was due to land just before the Condor but overshot due to a bird-strike on the preceding Ryanair aircraft, although it all turned out well in the end.

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Air India will increase the frequency of its flights between Amritsar and Birmingham from two per week to five, owing to high demand from passengers.
The five weekly service is expected to start in the summer. The inaugural non-stop flight between Birmingham and Amritsar had taken off on February 20.

"The recently introduced Birmingham to Amritsar flights will soon be operating five days a week," said British Sikh MP Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, who spearheaded the idea of connecting the two cities.

"It's been in the pipeline a while but now the Indian Cabinet has given the green light for it," he added. "It started on two days a week, last month they agreed to make it three days and now it will become five days a week. I thank the UK and Punjabi travellers for the enthusiasm with which they have made the flights successful," Dhesi added.

Dhesi had gone to India last summer and met various Union ministers including civil aviation minister Jayant Sinha and external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj, to push the case of connecting Amritsar to the UK via a direct flight, avoiding the need to transfer in Delhi, saying it would be beneficial to the Punjab and Indian economy.

He spoke to Union minister for social justice and empowerment Vijay Sampla on the phone on Thursday morning and had it confirmed it was now being increased to five days a week.

Dhesi shared the news on Facebook and Sampla wrote on in Hindi above his post "Your words will inspire me with more strength" after sharing Dhesi's post.

Dhesi said he was thrilled that Sampla had launched a direct flight between Adampur and Delhi from 1 May. "I hope that very soon they will give the good news of the introduction of the London Amritsar route," Dhesi added.

Dhesi said that the Cabinet in India had only just reached its decision and Air India would receive its directive soon. Air India in London was unaware of the developments.

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Impact of privatization, Air India wants to go into profit before privatization. Otherwise who was caring for Amritsar - Birmingham flights. Soon there will be a London - Amritsar flight too.Harjap Singh Aujla
Shakila Lambe, PR and Sales for Air India in the UK, told TOI, that a third flight between Amritsar and Birmingham was being introduced this Saturday, 5 May. But she said she did not know about the increase to five days.

"The twice weekly fights between Birmingham and Amritsar on Tuesday and Thursdays have been operating at 90 to 100 per cent capacity. It takes just 7.5 hours compared to how long it used to take via Delhi so is very popular and we are seeing elderly passengers, youngsters, British and Indian Punjabis making use of it, mainly for leisure," Lambe said. Direct flights between Amritsar and Birmingham had stopped in 2010
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Air India will increase the frequency of its flights between Amritsar and Birmingham from two per week to five, owing to high demand from passengers.
The five weekly service is expected to start in the summer. The inaugural non-stop flight between Birmingham and Amritsar had taken off on February 20.

"The recently introduced Birmingham to Amritsar flights will soon be operating five days a week," said British Sikh MP Tanmanjeet Singh Dhesi, who spearheaded the idea of connecting the two cities.

"It's been in the pipeline a while but now the Indian Cabinet has given the green light for it," he added. "It started on two days a week, last month they agreed to make it three days and now it will become five days a week. I thank the UK and Punjabi travellers for the enthusiasm with which they have made the flights successful," Dhesi added.

Dhesi had gone to India last summer and met various Union ministers including civil aviation minister Jayant Sinha and external affairs minister Sushma Swaraj, to push the case of connecting Amritsar to the UK via a direct flight, avoiding the need to transfer in Delhi, saying it would be beneficial to the Punjab and Indian economy.

He spoke to Union minister for social justice and empowerment Vijay Sampla on the phone on Thursday morning and had it confirmed it was now being increased to five days a week.

Dhesi shared the news on Facebook and Sampla wrote on in Hindi above his post "Your words will inspire me with more strength" after sharing Dhesi's post.

Dhesi said he was thrilled that Sampla had launched a direct flight between Adampur and Delhi from 1 May. "I hope that very soon they will give the good news of the introduction of the London Amritsar route," Dhesi added.

Dhesi said that the Cabinet in India had only just reached its decision and Air India would receive its directive soon. Air India in London was unaware of the developments.

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Shakila Lambe, PR and Sales for Air India in the UK, told TOI, that a third flight between Amritsar and Birmingham was being introduced this Saturday, 5 May. But she said she did not know about the increase to five days.

"The twice weekly fights between Birmingham and Amritsar on Tuesday and Thursdays have been operating at 90 to 100 per cent capacity. It takes just 7.5 hours compared to how long it used to take via Delhi so is very popular and we are seeing elderly passengers, youngsters, British and Indian Punjabis making use of it, mainly for leisure," Lambe said. Direct flights between Amritsar and Birmingham had stopped in 2010
One half of me says that politicians should be kept well out of the way when deciding airline policy; the other that very possibly without lobbying by Punjabi MPs, and left to it's own devices AI would have concentrated on London - as virtually all other international airlines do, and kicked BHX into the long grass.
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Air India & March figures

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One half of me says that politicians should be kept well out of the way when deciding airline policy; the other that very possibly without lobbying by Punjabi MPs, and left to it's own devices AI would have concentrated on London - as virtually all other international airlines do, and kicked BHX into the long grass.
Quite possibly but difficult to ignore 14444 passengers (March 2018) - even without AI surely one airline somewhere could make money on BHX- India?

March 2018 Passenger figures - very creditable down just 3% per the CAA stats at 879517. I suggest you look away when April is published but May seems to be ticking along although I believe still down.

The problem with April 18 other than the blinking obviously (loss of Monarch) was the timing of Easter and Jet2 compensating as much as they could was nowhere near what Monarch used to offer. However looking at their booking engine if they had the aircraft they could have offered more and this is continuing on some routes such as Malaga with 10 out of the next 11 days sold out.

Emirates in March was staggering averaging 543 per flight at 88% (based on 615), signs of life on Doha (74%) and Turkmenistan nearly doubling their passengers.

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Pete, I've just read your post and then scrolled down to Manchester. I know you'll have the answer, but given the loss of very similar scale of ops by Monarch at BHX and MAN why does BHX have a -3 figure for March whereas MAN has +3? So MAN have been able to not only make the loss up but grow as well.
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