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Old 28th Jan 2018, 10:59
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The point is that there are marginal costs for the use of a car over and above the fuel cost. (BTW, 45mpg = 10 miles/litre = at least 12p/mile). Mileage-related maintenance and depreciation, tyre wear, extra insurance for higher mileage; the problem is that because we don't pay them at the time, like purchasing a rail ticket, we underestimate them even if we count them at all.

We've all driven further to buy something cheaper, without working out that it would really have been cheaper to buy it from a local store.

Those of you who drive to the airport or into town should be eternally grateful to those who use the bus or the train and so leave space on the road or in the carpark.
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 11:25
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All before you see the tears and stress when told that your train operators union is holding a multi day strike for politically motivated reasons behind driver only trains, at least in a car you have some degree of control
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 11:38
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The problem with these sterile arguments about car vs. rail is they hardly ever compare apples with apples.
exactly - last car journey I made, it departed when I thought it would, there was nobody sat in my seat, I didn't have to stand for any part of the journey, no screaming kids

There are considerations other than the financial!
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Old 28th Jan 2018, 12:15
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TUI/Freebird

Similar to other threads Freebird have the TUI third party flying to Turkey in summer 18 and BHX gets 4 despite an extra based TUI aircraft.

Monday FHY644 Bodrum in 20.40 out 21.40 wef 29 MAY - 3 Sept

Tuesday FHY652 Dalaman in 08.25 out 09.25 wef 22 May all season but might subject to change in October

Tuesday FHY636 Antalya in 14.30 out 15.30 wef 29 May all season but might subject to change in October

Friday FHY692 Antalya in 14.30 out 15.30. start of May all season but might subject to change in early May & October

The TUI Malta flight is still Air Malta still showing Tuesday KM174/5 21.45 departure but the KM website shows it a bit earlier and in some websites it shows as two separate flights (KM74/5) which I am sure will be merged at some point.

TUI also use Flybe to Verona on a Saturday BE9170 12.20 - 17.40 and Salzburg Saturday BE9415 15.55 - 20-.45

The only away based flight spotted is Thursday Malaga TOM7484/5 in 12.45 out 14.25.

The 787 is fully based from mid July 7 flights a week although for 2 days (Monday and Tuesday?) it is in Scotland in June and part of July.

All of the above is subject to change.

Thought it would make a change from cars and trains
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:22
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Primera Changes Confirmed for BHX

Primera seem to be adjusting their ops for Birmingham...

- Boston scrapped.
- Newark reduced from daily to four weekly from June.
- Toronto remain 2-3 flights a week.

Looks like just one A321neo unit will be required for Brum, not sure how it remains “by far their largest base”

Seem to be adjusting to market demand, but still disappointing for the airport.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/news...ngham-14215588

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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:35
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I still think the underlying issue is late aircraft deliveries.

In other news ....

New CEO to be unveiled !
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 14:43
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So I’m guessing a new longhaul route from Stansted or Paris seeing as there will be a Airbus sitting doing nothing after being taken out of the Birmingham schedule.

I’m sticking to late delivery of aircraft Boston still had almost 5 months of sales before launch bit soon to pull it.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 15:21
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If an airline is going to lie about why they've dropped a route, lack of customers seems a strange choice from the possible list of excuses!
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 15:44
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Funnily enough that is why most routes are dropped....lack of customers.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 16:30
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Yes once the route has been running bit funny with almost 5 more months to go before the first Boston was due to take off.
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Old 29th Jan 2018, 16:32
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It's a bit of a slap in the face to BHX from Primera to just come out and publicly declare bookings were poor so it's pulled. Especially after all the advertising support the airport have given in the joint campaigns.

You would have thought that if aircraft availability is also a factor, then the airport and Primera might have been able to come up with a joint PR release to try and save face on all sides.

I might be telephoning that other airline based Reykjavik and inviting them back for a daily 737 service at very favourable terms....
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 08:03
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Wow! Sounds like a good idea....wait....wrong airline...could still work though
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 10:47
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And Primera is not bookable after October - where you can from Stansted!
On a brighter note Palma up to 8 with a CPH based plane on Wednesdays.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 14:29
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It's a bit of a slap in the face to BHX from Primera to just come out and publicly declare bookings were poor so it's pulled. Especially after all the advertising support the airport have given in the joint campaigns.


Totally agree. These things tend to be done in unison but they appear to have hung BHX out to dry.

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Old 31st Jan 2018, 14:40
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I wouldn’t say they have hung Birmingham out to dry.
If you look at the bigger picture and from a business point of view London and Paris would have a better chance than Birmingham for passengers booking return flights from Newyork Boston and Toronto and if we are all totally honest and unbiased we would all agree London and Paris would and should be seen as having a better chance of serving over Birmingham.
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You would think so but this is not supported by the taken seat maps on the website.

When I looked Paris was really poor. Stansted and Birmingham were very similar and better.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 15:02
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If that's the case why bother with BHX in the first place? The way people are talking on here you would think that Primark Airlines have given up on BHX completely. Time will tell.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 15:03
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I wouldn’t go by the seat plan as I’m sure a lot of people would have just not bothered paying the extra it’s not like you going to be sat between two isles and I’m not sure personally that the seat plan will be representative of the aircraft that will operate the first lot of flights just my opinion nothing more nothing less.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 15:08
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Originally Posted by crewmeal
If that's the case why bother with BHX in the first place? The way people are talking on here you would think that Primark Airlines have given up on BHX completely. Time will tell.
I haven’t seen anything wrote on here to suggest the the airline has given up on Birmingham my point is statistically London and Paris stand a better chance at the beginning as they are capital cities it’s common sense to make cuts for what ever reason at Birmingham over the other two bases nothing personally just business.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 16:22
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I wouldn’t go by the seat plan as I’m sure a lot of people would have just not bothered paying the extra it’s not like you going to be sat between two isles and I’m not sure personally that the seat plan will be representative of the aircraft that will operate the first lot of flights just my opinion nothing more nothing less.
There is no charge for the standard seat unless you book the low fare (hand luggage) I doubt that there will that may of those.

It is still a good comparison of seats taken from each airport as the percentages of those not taking a seat will be similar from each airport.

I think that they give a pretty accurate idea of how things are going

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