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It will have to go onto Delhi as that’s the home base.
This reversal is very much as a result of very heavy political lobbying both locally and at the Amritsar end and not really the result of blue sky thinking at Air India !
Currently AI operate a positioning/revenue services AI461/462 from/to Delhi on two days a week to swap over frames. So this we simple continue onto Birmingham .
No capacity boost just a juggling of the card deck to please a few vocal politicians in the Indian Punjab imho
This reversal is very much as a result of very heavy political lobbying both locally and at the Amritsar end and not really the result of blue sky thinking at Air India !
Currently AI operate a positioning/revenue services AI461/462 from/to Delhi on two days a week to swap over frames. So this we simple continue onto Birmingham .
No capacity boost just a juggling of the card deck to please a few vocal politicians in the Indian Punjab imho
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Opening the door, perhaps, for a direct MAN/DEL service? No evidence or rumours, just "blue sky thinking".
AI will start making money when they stop bowing to pressure from local politicians.
AI will start making money when they stop bowing to pressure from local politicians.
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Of course Rutan16 is right this is political and nothing to do with taking the service forward otherwise the 77W would appear on the direct Delhi legs or a higher frequency secured although interestingly a poster on another thread stated bi-laterals would need to be sorted (no idea).
Anyway lets have a look at the service as some very interesting and in some cases myth-busting stats. Sorry about the format but I lost patience
.......Sept......................August...............July.. ............June...............May
ATQ....6551.(6141).....6679.(6250)......6109..4529)......606 7.(3975)....7192.(5084)
DEL....7237.(6218).....6020.(6484)......6781.(6433).....6461 .(4517)......4835.(2970)
Total.13788.(12539)...12699.(12734)...12899.(10962)...12528 (8492)....12027 (8054)
Average... 230. 90%........205...80%.........208..81%.........209.....82%... ..194...76%
May and June the typical basket cases for loads going east were well up nearly 50% in May. Obviously what we don't know is at what cost in terms of fares on offer were promoted in order to obtain these significant increases.
What we do know Turkmenistan upped their frequency in the same period and logic dictates there has been a fare war although I have no proof.
What the September figures show (assuming not a one-off) that rearranging the deck-chairs is probably pointless in commercial terms and just further proof in my opinion that this is political.
Air India have a few more 77W's due although I believe the 788's are almost all here? I am sure AI would not want a 77W tag Delhi - Amritsar but something by the way an increase must be fast approaching if they want the service to progress otherwise Turkmen will be happy and it seems Uzbek could also be back on the table.
And for ATNotts... it is difficult not to mention competition from other UK airports but I will leave that to User001...oops LAX_LHR although I think that has been adequately covered on the Manchester thread.....and BHX threads on other forums
Anyway lets have a look at the service as some very interesting and in some cases myth-busting stats. Sorry about the format but I lost patience
.......Sept......................August...............July.. ............June...............May
ATQ....6551.(6141).....6679.(6250)......6109..4529)......606 7.(3975)....7192.(5084)
DEL....7237.(6218).....6020.(6484)......6781.(6433).....6461 .(4517)......4835.(2970)
Total.13788.(12539)...12699.(12734)...12899.(10962)...12528 (8492)....12027 (8054)
Average... 230. 90%........205...80%.........208..81%.........209.....82%... ..194...76%
May and June the typical basket cases for loads going east were well up nearly 50% in May. Obviously what we don't know is at what cost in terms of fares on offer were promoted in order to obtain these significant increases.
What we do know Turkmenistan upped their frequency in the same period and logic dictates there has been a fare war although I have no proof.
What the September figures show (assuming not a one-off) that rearranging the deck-chairs is probably pointless in commercial terms and just further proof in my opinion that this is political.
Air India have a few more 77W's due although I believe the 788's are almost all here? I am sure AI would not want a 77W tag Delhi - Amritsar but something by the way an increase must be fast approaching if they want the service to progress otherwise Turkmen will be happy and it seems Uzbek could also be back on the table.
And for ATNotts... it is difficult not to mention competition from other UK airports but I will leave that to User001...oops LAX_LHR although I think that has been adequately covered on the Manchester thread.....and BHX threads on other forums
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October PAX up 0.2%
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...ngham-airport/
Remarkable for such a depressing aviation month.
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Can someone explain Florence - do BA know they were supposed to be pulling the service
. Oh actually increased as on the 190. I thought the service might get pulled due to all the weather and thus crewing issues encountered at Florence but in fact a super result in the end with much better flying times.
Palma is interesting - poor loads at times this year but doubled! I don't think I will be rushing to book the 03.30 inbound
Remarkable for such a depressing aviation month.
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Can someone explain Florence - do BA know they were supposed to be pulling the service
. Oh actually increased as on the 190. I thought the service might get pulled due to all the weather and thus crewing issues encountered at Florence but in fact a super result in the end with much better flying times.Palma is interesting - poor loads at times this year but doubled! I don't think I will be rushing to book the 03.30 inbound
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I am not picking up any direct flights after 15 January.
Anyone aware of a schedule change or glitches in the system,
All flights on their website via Glasgow after 15/1
Not heard that this was one of the services in jeopardy.
Anyone aware of a schedule change or glitches in the system,
All flights on their website via Glasgow after 15/1
Not heard that this was one of the services in jeopardy.
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It's still in the GDS, but zero'd out after mid Jan. Offering via GLA as noted by OP.
THU 18JAN18 BIRMINGHAM/REYKJAVIK 18/0000 18/2359
1 BHX KEF 1225 1510 FI 495 C0 D0 J0 Z0 Y0 A0 E0 M0 B0 K0 75W B E
«B» Q0 T0 VC HC G0 L0 SC OC NC UC
P0
2 BHX GLA 1040 1155 BE 786 WA RA YA TA BA SA VA KA UA HC DH4 C E
MC LC ZA QA PC IA EA XA AA NA
GC OA
3 KEF 1255 1515 FI 431 C9 D9 J9 Z4 Y8 A5 E5 M9 B9 K9 75W B E
Q9 T9 V9 H9 G9 L9 S9 O9 N9 U9
P9
THU 18JAN18 BIRMINGHAM/REYKJAVIK 18/0000 18/2359
1 BHX KEF 1225 1510 FI 495 C0 D0 J0 Z0 Y0 A0 E0 M0 B0 K0 75W B E
«B» Q0 T0 VC HC G0 L0 SC OC NC UC
P0
2 BHX GLA 1040 1155 BE 786 WA RA YA TA BA SA VA KA UA HC DH4 C E
MC LC ZA QA PC IA EA XA AA NA
GC OA
3 KEF 1255 1515 FI 431 C9 D9 J9 Z4 Y8 A5 E5 M9 B9 K9 75W B E
Q9 T9 V9 H9 G9 L9 S9 O9 N9 U9
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There seems to have been a lot of reverses for BHX recently unfortunately.
Open question: do people think that this could be related to introductory incentives coming to an end? Some of these services seem to turn up for a certain period of time and then disappear.
Interested in people's thoughts.
Open question: do people think that this could be related to introductory incentives coming to an end? Some of these services seem to turn up for a certain period of time and then disappear.
Interested in people's thoughts.
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Whether it's down to expiring offers or just the size of the market, i think it all boils down to the demand. Even if a huge subsidy exists, if the airline can make more money by operating a different route, they're likely to do that.
Everyone sees reverses, but it also means an opportunity of other airlines. The exiting airline will have stirred up some demand, meaning a new entrant to the route can capitalise on this + their existing market, making it slightly more popular and more likely to last.
Unless it's a heavily competed route, in which case it's purely competition and any excess will quickly be snapped up Take PMI for example, ZB left, now we have a daily Primera and extra LS services to plug the gap. Popular routes don't stay empty for long, they're all chasing the money
Everyone sees reverses, but it also means an opportunity of other airlines. The exiting airline will have stirred up some demand, meaning a new entrant to the route can capitalise on this + their existing market, making it slightly more popular and more likely to last.
Unless it's a heavily competed route, in which case it's purely competition and any excess will quickly be snapped up Take PMI for example, ZB left, now we have a daily Primera and extra LS services to plug the gap. Popular routes don't stay empty for long, they're all chasing the money
It occurs to me that Primera and Icelandair are largely chasing the same market - economy / budget travellers to the USA and Canada. While Icelandair offer connections to numerous airports across North America, the main draws are probably New York and Toronto, and it may be that they have seen a downturn in forward bookings, such that they have decided to pull the plug ahead of the Summer season. After all, Primera are offering daily service to New York, with more seats per day than UA were, and a 4 x weekly Toronto, so again more seats than Transat were.
It wouldn't in the least surprise me if incentives weren't coming to an end as well.
It's extraordinary how cyclical the industry is, often airports, including the likes of Manchester, take two steps forward and on step back - BHX is taking it's step back in 2018 by the look of things.
It wouldn't in the least surprise me if incentives weren't coming to an end as well.
It's extraordinary how cyclical the industry is, often airports, including the likes of Manchester, take two steps forward and on step back - BHX is taking it's step back in 2018 by the look of things.
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The market overheated last summer - too many airlines chasing too few passengers, and there were even some deals to be had at silly [low] money in the peaks, when on occasions airlines were selling just to put bums on seats and cover DOCs for the pax that were filling the cabin. Maybe some incentives are coming to an end, but is there really anything that stops them being extended if BHX wants to keep the traffic? I think there's some rightsizing going on right now, and what is left will be more robust in the long term.
I can see BHX is getting squeezed from North and South and South East and something was going to give i:e some of the more marginal routes. Primera may just be the airline that BHX have been waiting for and they may have just arrived at the right time and as they say one story ends and a new starts ( I hope so )