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Old 14th Oct 2020, 09:16
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Originally Posted by tubby linton View Post
The RWY 33 ILS LOC AND GP DOWNGRADED TO CAT 1 again, have the old problems returned or is it something else?
The 33 GP has been out of service since January 2018, over the last few months work on the drainage issues at the airfield have hopefully been resolved and on Friday 2nd October the 33 ILS was re-turned on at Cat 1 only. After 300 hours of it radiating and with no issues it will be up graded back to Cat IIIb standards
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 14:41
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Does anybody think the raft of VIRGIN flights from Manchester will effect Air India from Birmingham.

Whilst fares may be cheaper, quality of service, higher frequency and certainty of timings may well be a game changer.
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 14:57
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Originally Posted by Navpi View Post
Does anybody think the raft of VIRGIN flights from Manchester will effect Air India from Birmingham.

Whilst fares may be cheaper, quality of service, higher frequency and certainty of timings may well be a game changer.
Interestingly Air India did operate a Manchester service which was dropped. Traditionally the Indian market has always been BHX based and Manchester has a bigger Pakistani market. I think with the problems at PIA , I cant see them coming back to BHX but hopefully Air India can still make a go of it despite Virgins competition
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 17:59
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Air India / Turkish

Air India loads at BHX have always been excellent, so I don't see an issue with Virgin at all.

Turkish will use a B787-900 every Monday starting 19th - currently bookable every Monday into December.

Great News
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Old 17th Oct 2020, 19:52
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Originally Posted by Navpi View Post
Does anybody think the raft of VIRGIN flights from Manchester will effect Air India from Birmingham.

Whilst fares may be cheaper, quality of service, higher frequency and certainty of timings may well be a game changer.
I don't see any issue with certainty of timings, AI operated a schedule pre-covid that was pretty stable, and the principal destination from BHX is Amritsar. Two different markets I think, and if I had to back a winner between VS at MAN or AI at BHX on balance, post covid I'd choose the latter.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 08:36
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The plans are for through connections to US which when things start to get back to normal will be a winner for VS and Jet when they operated averaged over 200 pax
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:27
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The plans are for through connections to US which when things start to get back to normal will be a winner for VS and Jet when they operated averaged over 200 pax
I really don't think that "plans" count for much at the moment!!
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 10:30
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I think it just a case of Virgin starting to fly East as they cannot go West anytime soon.
Good move by them to boost income.
Lets hope they survive.
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 13:05
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They were planning an east network before Covid and I am hearing further routes to follow
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Old 18th Oct 2020, 13:20
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Hopefully the current crisis will lead the owners of BHX to reassess their pricing structure and reduce their hefty passenger fees. It's been too expensive an airport to sustain a decent low cost scheduled operation for the past twenty years. The councillors I charge think that BHX should be on a par with MAN but it's not.
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Old 19th Oct 2020, 06:46
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Originally Posted by God_of_Fire View Post
Hopefully the current crisis will lead the owners of BHX to reassess their pricing structure and reduce their hefty passenger fees. It's been too expensive an airport to sustain a decent low cost scheduled operation for the past twenty years. The councillors I charge think that BHX should be on a par with MAN but it's not.
With respect, unless you're on the inside, then all you know is what the tariff is. What you don't know, unless of course you're in the inside and from the perspective of a carrier looking to open services to BHX is what the actual rate offer is, following the usual commercial negotiations.

I honestly don't believe that BHX could attract that much more regular business if the published rates were 50% of Manchester's, where BHX might score in such a scenario could be on ad hoc movements - charters, both passenger and freight, and of course diversions which, thanks to modern technology are not such a factor as they were say, 30 years ago. The main drivers for new services are going to be commercial viability from a yield standpoint, and we already know that BHX has never been able to sustain enough font end traffic even to encourage Emirates or a transatlantic carrier to successfully offer a first class product.

Kicking the airport over it's fees misses the point. That being the wealth of the region it serves, and it's proximity to Manchester and the London airports, not to mention the dilution of passenger demand by having two passenger airports within 80km of each other. The current crisis and it's aftermath may actually encourage airport businesses to play hardball with those carriers paying uneconomic rates so that they can maximise revenue and at the same time reduce staffing numbers - working smart rather than hard, or in other terms, stop being busy fools.
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Old 20th Oct 2020, 22:17
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME View Post
Air India loads at BHX have always been excellent, so I don't see an issue with Virgin at all.

Turkish will use a B787-900 every Monday starting 19th - currently bookable every Monday into December.

Great News
Turkish - Last Friday service this week and it goes 3 a week but the sweetener is the 789 on a Monday - It is scheduled to the last Monday in December but 26 October already showing as the 739. From the first week in November Thursday and Saturday should be A321's.

Wizz - big update across the network. Craiova still appears to start next Saturday twice a week with Tuesday the other day from 27-10. Bucharest operates again this Sundays before dropping to twice weekly for November with the Wednesday service returning in December.

Cluj ends Friday 30 October for a month at least

Iasi delayed to 16 December

Krakow has ended and pencilled in for 17-11 twice a week

Wroclaw and Warsaw remain weekly until the week of 16 November when they could go back to twice weekly

Riga and Vilnius remain the first week in December.

Budapest remains 18 November for a return.

Ryanair - They have updated winter but added a new route for two weeks starting Saturday - Heraklion!

Alicante - was daily in winter and now 4 a week in general

Barcelona - was to be daily now 3 a week

Fuerteventura, Arrecife, Oporto, Murcia, Gdansk, Katowice, Modlin - 2 no change

Las Palmas - was removed but back in weekly on a Saturday (day change from Friday)

Madrid - ends tomorrow with no return date

Malaga - was to be 6 a week now 3

Tenerife - reduced from 4 to 3

Bratislava - ended yesterday

Faro - 2 a week from 3

Bydgoszcz - reduced from 3 to 2 weekly

Krakow - from 3 to 4 to 3

Malta - 3 a week to 2

Verona - no change restarts Christmas weekly

Dublin - Originally around 36 a week down to 14 and now 5

Sofia - Was 3 then removed completely but just for day changes and back to 2 weekly with Friday on a based aircraft

Around 44 flights 3 based still but some days the based on operate a couple of flights

Jet2 - Rome has ended for at least month and they have pushed back Venice to February but reinstate Heraklion next weekend operating Saturday and Sunday for 2 weeks and after that Saturday continues to 14-11. Rhodes has a third Saturday flight added this week for two weeks and continues once a week until 14 November. Berlin and Vienna Christmas Market flights appear to be cancelled, which is understandable. Dalaman is now next year but will restart Antalya if given the green light. The Canaries remain bookable from next Sunday

TUI - Restarted Zante in a blink of an eye. Crete hasn't though but Rhodes is back on sale until 14-11 (Tuesday & Saturday) and double daily on a Saturday for the next 2 weeks. Finally Montego Bay has been delayed and removed for October but still showing for November. Hurghada is due to start Friday.

easyjet - oh dear. Glasgow and Edinburgh appear to be suspended from 9th November to 3rd December and in the same period Belfast reduced to 6 a week

Blue Island - Jersey seems to be ending 1st November until 21st December

Air France - This coming week Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday & Saturday and Sunday 17.40 departure - Monday 26 06.15 departure & same on Friday week. The schedule changes daily and some days there are none but Monday and Friday often twice daily.

KLM - This has changed again with next week just 2 Monday, Tuesday, Thursday & Saturday and winter it is 3 daily on Sunday, Monday and Friday and 2 the other days

Lufthansa - No change with Munich allegedly double daily in winter some A319's CRJ9's and E195's, Frankfurt remains Cityline

Aer Lingus - Dublin still down to start Friday Daily early morning except Sunday which is afternoon. Cork unfortunately has been put back until December. Belfast City non-ops this Wednesday but double daily in winter apart from Saturday.

Loganair, Eurowings Emirates, Air India - no changes noticed.

Some positives are priority freight (JLR & COVID related) and GA movements as well as Football (Domestic, European and International) and GP charters (Aurigny and Cityflyer today)

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