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Old 13th Feb 2020, 07:08
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Originally Posted by Matt995 View Post
Not certain where you are getting this information from
From the horses mouth, so to speak. There will also be standby aircraft at BHX this year.
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Old 13th Feb 2020, 11:05
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Latest info is
10x B737
3x Jet2 A321
3x Smartlynx A321
1x Titan B757 during peak summer.
Jet2 have come a long way from 4 aircraft just three years ago.
Originally Posted by Matt995 View Post
Not certain where you are getting this information from?
The schedules for summer 2020 show 8 x B738's, 3 x A321s, and 3 leased A321's from Smartlynx, giving a base of 14 aircraft.
The above one is incorrect. The bottom one is indeed correct. Though as someone has pointed out rumour has it there will be an additional aircraft for standby.
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 00:10
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TUI Summer 2020

latest TUI update for summer 2020 now shows the following based aircraft :-



1 x B788, (+extra B788 for 2 days), 2 x B757, 4 x B738, 1 x A321, 2 x A320



so 2 leased in Airbus A320's and 1 A321, any ideas which airlines these will be coming from?
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Old 23rd Feb 2020, 01:36
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Originally Posted by Matt995 View Post
latest TUI update for summer 2020 now shows the following based aircraft :-



1 x B788, (+extra B788 for 2 days), 2 x B757, 4 x B738, 1 x A321, 2 x A320



so 2 leased in Airbus A320's and 1 A321, any ideas which airlines these will be coming from?
I donít have any inside knowledge but in terms of Airbus, TUI have recently used the likes of Titan, SmartLynx, Gowair, GetJet, amongst others. AFAIK they wonít be using Olympus this year.

It is also possible that some of the four 738s may be leased. For Boeing, they have used Sunwing (of course - but these tend to be used at small Summer-only bases), AlbaStar, AirExplore, EnterAir, and possibly others Iím unaware of.
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Old 24th Feb 2020, 22:46
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BHX-NAP 2 weekly from 18.05.20
Mon & Fri 1430 Arrival 1515 Departure

EZY4873/4874

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Old 25th Feb 2020, 09:04
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME View Post
BHX-NAP 2 weekly from 18.05.20
Mon & Fri 1430 Arrival 1515 Departure

EZY4873/4874

Ian
An interesting and welcome development!

NAP was part of the much rumoured slot applications made by EZY for BHX as well as TXL and MXP so maybe these will appear as well? CDG and AMS were also rumoured but clearly EZY got cold feet for some reason.

From 2 destinations last summer to 5 in 2020.....fingers crossed they might have more up their sleeve for winter or Summer 21?

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Old 25th Feb 2020, 10:50
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Easyjet BHX

Great News that Easyjet are adding Naples, but Iím surprised this destination has been picked when there are so many more obvious destinations that could of been picked..... but still great news & hopefully more to come !

Originally Posted by GayFriendly View Post
An interesting and welcome development!

NAP was part of the much rumoured slot applications made by EZY for BHX as well as TXL and MXP so maybe these will appear as well? CDG and AMS were also rumoured but clearly EZY got cold feet for some reason.

From 2 destinations last summer to 5 in 2020.....fingers crossed they might have more up their sleeve for winter or Summer 21?
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Old 1st Mar 2020, 15:06
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easyjet, Iberia Express, Flybe & January stats

Originally Posted by simoncorbett View Post
Great News that Easyjet are adding Naples, but Iím surprised this destination has been picked when there are so many more obvious destinations that could of been picked..... but still great news & hopefully more to come !
Ryanair and easyjet are quite similar at BHX picking not always what you think are the obvious routes (Easy GLA & EDI were obvious though) as Naples is operated by Jet2 twice a week and TUI three times.

Take Madrid for example unserved for years and an obvious one for the new Ryanair base when it opened but no, lets wait until Norwegian (March 2015) and Iberia (March 2016) operate the route and then go on it (April 16 and announced 2 months after IB in November 2015).

And in 2020 what will be getting...Ö...Ryanair only from July 2020 and at the moment a reduced frequency next winter to boot.

This route was never going to support three lo-cost carriers and I was never convinced about two and now indeed it will be one. I assume Iberia considered Air Nostrum and deemed not enough connecting and business traffic to make the 90-100 seater work.

January Stats

Sources: CAA for the passenger figures, FR24 for rotations and various sites for seating configs which does mean load factors should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Some load factors such as Madrid could be out due to holiday extras and Ryanair using different flight numbers to the normal schedule.
  • I can't fit the 2019 load factors in to the screenshot but in general Flybe operated a smaller schedule such as EDI down from 354 sectors to 316, BHD 336 down to 316, Glasgow 274 from 307 and Aberdeen 112 from 132. This explains the fewer passengers although load factors have also decreased but without knowing what fares were charged from year to year it is difficult to analyse these any further and I know some will just blame the loss of confidence in booking but it is not across the board on all their routes. Belfast City is a signifcant difference but easyjet operated extra frequencies compared to 2019.
  • Vienna improved significantly with Lauda on the route and the Austrain 195
  • Long-haul is reasonable other than Air India which is disappointing, as it is still only six a week and apparently no let up with high load factors. Another route where yopu have to assume yields are not high as it would be at least daily.

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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 22:53
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TUI Summer 2020

TUI Summer 2020 current schedule shows the following aircraft based:-

1 x B787 based May - Oct
1 x B787 based May - Oct part week (Tue-Thu)
1 x B757 based May - Oct
1 x B757 based May - Sept
4 x B737 based May - Oct
2 x B737 based Sep - Oct (replaces A320/A321/B757)

1 x A321 based May - Sept (believed to be SmartLynx aircraft)
2 x A320 based end of May till end of Aug (also SmartLynx aircraft)

Wednesday morning still shows 1 B737 parked up (maybe maintenance?) and then an extra 1 B737 is needed Wednesday afternoon only.

all subject to change.
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 10:55
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It's interesting that TUI look like that they are having 3 leased in A320 & 321's yet they are selling the extra space seats on these flights and selling extra legroom seats as if it was being operated on 737-800. This could be dodgy ground legally as they are continuing to sell services that they know that they cannot deliver as obviously do not have set routes that these flights will be operating. This is also in breach of the package travel regulations
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 11:37
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Originally Posted by 737James View Post
It's interesting that TUI look like that they are having 3 leased in A320 & 321's yet they are selling the extra space seats on these flights and selling extra legroom seats as if it was being operated on 737-800. This could be dodgy ground legally as they are continuing to sell services that they know that they cannot deliver as obviously do not have set routes that these flights will be operating. This is also in breach of the package travel regulations
Have you checked all flights? I read somewhere that someone was unable to book any extra legroom and that the seat map showed 30 rows (A320). Iím sure they will have set routes for the leased aircraft as they will need to ensure they do not sell 189 seats on a 180-seat aircraft. The A321 capacity will also differ slightly from that if the 757.
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Old 3rd Mar 2020, 12:28
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Originally Posted by ROC10 View Post
Have you checked all flights? I read somewhere that someone was unable to book any extra legroom and that the seat map showed 30 rows (A320). Iím sure they will have set routes for the leased aircraft as they will need to ensure they do not sell 189 seats on a 180-seat aircraft. The A321 capacity will also differ slightly from that if the 757.
I have looked at a couple of random dates in June and July with all TUI flights on these days all flights are showing the extra space seats which are only on TUI aircraft, I know they had some issues last year at start of the season with the Olympus aircraft and got a warning from ABTA about this but got out of it saying the MAX issue meant that they had not had time to let customers know and to put a stop sale on these seats, however they will not get away with that this year also I understand that BHX is due to be getting a couple of the ex Fly dubai aircraft which again are not having seating config changes just painted outside
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Old 4th Mar 2020, 09:13
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Aren't the bookings subject to availability anyway? I recall having seen something in the T&C's that will cover them if they have to 'switch' aircraft or airline. Obviously with enough notice given.

From their website, note "operational reasons" which could be anything:

"That said, in some circumstances, we may have to change your seat. This would only be for operational, safety or security reasons. In accordance with the Civil Aviation Authority’s guidelines, certain requirements must be satisfied before we can allocate seats near the exit. If we do have to change your seat, we’ll try to keep it as close to what you booked as possible. A refund will only be offered if we can’t seat you in a similar position to your original request. A similar position means the same type of seat - window, aisle etc - as your original selected seats. In such cases, we ask that you keep a copy of your confirmation documents and boarding cards."
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 21:51
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Ibera Express

Flights are showing for summer still!
March is 3 times a week-Tues,Fri& Sunday
April to October is 4 weekly - Monday,Tuesday ,Friday and Sunday!!!
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Old 6th Mar 2020, 21:56
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Flights are showing for summer still!March is 3 times a week-Tues,Fri& SundayApril to October is 4 weekly - Monday,Tuesday ,Friday and Sunday!!!
Finishes on 30.06.20 and only bookable to then
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 13:19
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME View Post
Finishes on 30.06.20 and only bookable to then
now looks like the 28th April, as nothing currently bookable on their website, or showing on google flights after that date
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 15:58
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[QUOTE=Matt995;10706735]now looks like the 28th April, as nothing currently bookable on their website, or showing on google flights after that date [

It was an usual end date originally but at least left it until after Easter.

Loads in general have not been too bad but some light fares at times and again another loco route where yields no doubt have failed to match expectations. However as I mentioned in an earlier post I don't think Madrid is a route for two loco's although Ryanair has never been more than 4 a week except Christmas extras..

I am sure Ryanair winter has changed as it was showing reduced to twice weekly for short periods but it is now showing 3 a week all winter.

[b]Flybe

Not too much comment on here re Flybe but I would like to pass on my best wishes to cockpit & cabin crew and ground handlers (WFS) affected and add my thanks for the enjoyable flights on the 195, 175 and Dash that I have taken over the years..

In terms of future employment of all those BHX based staff affected it has not been as yet, the same as Monarch and Thomas Cook where Jet2 and TUI added extra BHX based aircraft as the Flybe route profile was very different.

All the additions/replacements thus far, which have been very good for a short period of time involved are all on away based aircraft from Scotland or the Channel Isles.

Four new airlines and four destinations in a few days would normally be celebrated as magnificent but certainly not in this situation as it has come off the back of others distress.

Also with Corona, April based on what is left is heading for around 15% down which no doubt will also affect the staffing in the shops and eateries making matters even more unpredictable.

Pete.

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Old 8th Mar 2020, 19:13
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Summer 2020

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Originally Posted by Matt995 View Post
now looks like the 28th April, as nothing currently bookable on their website, or showing on google flights after that date [

It was an usual end date originally but at least left it until after Easter.

Loads in general have not been too bad but some light fares at times and again another loco route where yields no doubt have failed to match expectations. However as I mentioned in an earlier post I don't think Madrid is a route for two loco's although Ryanair has never been more than 4 a week except Christmas extras..

I am sure Ryanair winter has changed as it was showing reduced to twice weekly for short periods but it is now showing 3 a week all winter.

[b]Flybe

Not too much comment on here re Flybe but I would like to pass on my best wishes to cockpit & cabin crew and ground handlers (WFS) affected and add my thanks for the enjoyable flights on the 195, 175 and Dash that I have taken over the years..

In terms of future employment of all those BHX based staff affected it has not been as yet, the same as Monarch and Thomas Cook where Jet2 and TUI added extra BHX based aircraft as the Flybe route profile was very different.

All the additions/replacements thus far, which have been very good for a short period of time involved are all on away based aircraft from Scotland or the Channel Isles.

Four new airlines and four destinations in a few days would normally be celebrated as magnificent but certainly not in this situation as it has come off the back of others distress.

Also with Corona, April based on what is left is heading for around 15% down which no doubt will also affect the staffing in the shops and eateries making matters even more unpredictable.

Pete.
It's really dissappointing that an airport the size of BHX can't maintain at least a daily flight to the capital of Spain!

Will take years to claw back the routes and passengers lost by Flybe, at least Aberdeen and Inverness are back up to the number of Flybe passengers lost, Jersey/Guernsey is a start but still less seats than the Flybe schedules.

Isle Of Man should be added this week, but the other routes will take longer to fill.

KLM now have the Amsterdam flights to themselves, along with Air France on Paris CDG, and Eurowings on Dusseldorf, so they can charge what they like! Will they possible increase or use larger aircraft?

The French regional routes will never be replaced, maybe Lyon will be picked up by someone, so that leaves, Knock, Amsterdam, Paris CDG, Dusseldorf, Berlin, Stuttgart, Hamburg, Hanover, Milan crying out for new airlines, but who would want to take this on, are we pinning are hopes on Easyjet for these?

And Edinburgh, Glasgow, only 13 flights a week each by Easyjet, will they increase, and Belfast too, unless some other airline restarts Belfast City?

Corona virus will also effect the airport, already airlines are cutting back, and where will this leave the big expansion by Jet 2 and TUI this summer?

If the passengers number for April are only down by 15% I would count that as a good result, I expect a much bigger loss, and what will March be like, we must be talking about a loss of at least 20%?

2020 will not be a good year for the airport
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 19:29
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With regards to the coronavirus this is the current changes (highly likely to change):∑ Brussels Airlines:
∑ Decrease Brussels from 22x to 13x weekly∑

∑Austrian Airlines:
∑ Decrease Vienna from 4x to 3x weekly

∑ Eurowings:
∑ Decrease Dusseldorf from 22x to 16x weekly
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Old 8th Mar 2020, 23:57
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Originally Posted by Plane mad 134 View Post
With regards to the coronavirus this is the current changes (highly likely to change):∑ Brussels Airlines:

∑ Eurowings:
∑ Decrease Dusseldorf from 22x to 16x weekly
Given that BE has just disappeared from the route with another 300 or so weekdaily seats, quite a dramatic decrease - from approx 1.000 weekdaily seats to 350 or so.
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