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Old 24th Oct 2017, 08:46
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Primera Air to Toronto from 23 June 2018, 3pw

Update: The Birmingham Airport news release is wrong, stating that flight commence in May (I thought they read these forums, or maybe it was just PK when he was there)

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Old 24th Oct 2017, 11:09
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The Primera Schedule as it currently stands...


Monday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF053 BHX 17:15 – BOS 20:15
A/C2 PF054 BOS 21:45 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Tuesday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF055 BHX 16:10 – YYZ 19:40
A/C2 PF056 YYZ 21:10 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Wednesday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF053 BHX 17:15 – BOS 20:15
A/C2 PF054 BOS 21:45 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Thursday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF055 BHX 16:10 – YYZ 19:40
A/C2 PF056 YYZ 21:10 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Friday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF053 BHX 17:15 – BOS 20:15
A/C2 PF054 BOS 21:45 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Saturday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF055 BHX 16:10 – YYZ 19:40
A/C2 PF056 YYZ 21:10 – BHX 09:30 (+1)

Sunday
A/C1 PF051 BHX 17:45 – EWR 21:00
A/C1 PF052 EWR 22:30 – BHX 10:30 (+1)
A/C2 PF053 BHX 17:15 – BOS 20:15
A/C2 PF054 BOS 21:45 – BHX 09:30 (+1)
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 14:17
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Originally Posted by jon01 View Post
Primera Air to Toronto from 23 June 2018, 3pw

Update: The Birmingham Airport news release is wrong, stating that flight commence in May (I thought they read these forums, or maybe it was just PK when he was there)
It is Primera own press release that is wrong ! It is STN that is due to start in May (according to booking engine) and not BHX as stated in the PR
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Old 24th Oct 2017, 17:03
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YYZ

Great news from Primera - and perhaps method to Transat's madness?

Primera quite literally have to work for BHX, the airport has taken a lot of knocks recently with airlines pulling out. 3 scheduled transatlantic destinations is a good result bearing in mind the disappearance of AA, UA and TS.

I have seen increased advertising for Primera incl. The Metro, Leamington Spa station and around the Bull Ring. But it's going to need a lot more than that to make the general public aware and more importantly, get them booking!
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 04:24
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In your post 76 you wrote that TS was still very much alive for summer 2018 but in your above post you have included them as disappearing along with AA and UA.

Are TS still at BHX for summer 2018 as there seems to be some confusion as to them remaining.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 06:10
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No flights available on Canadian Affair for BHX for S18 so it does indeed look like Transat are gone
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 07:00
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Well I guess with the A310s leaving the fleet at TS they probably felt that a once weekly summer only flight from BHX to YYZ wasn't viable with a A330 and the aircraft would make more money elsewhere but it's a shame to lose another long haul airline at BHX.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 07:25
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They’re replacing them with A321Neos so not quite sure that is the thinking. TS also dropped EDI which was later picked up by AC Rouge.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 09:12
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I don`t know Skipness as Manchester is going all A330 so maybe no A321 over Atlantic
at least at present
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 09:22
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Norwegian are stopping all flights to Spain from BHX. Yet another drop in capacity, I know current based airlines are trying to increase capacity to fill the gap after monarch but will it be enough? Prime time to attract some new airlines (I heard a rumour of easyjet but is probably someone's pipe dream).
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 12:55
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I believe that Norwegian are ceasing many flights to the UK from Spain, not just BHX. With the Jet 8 based aircraft for 2018 this takes capacity on the main holiday routes to the level of that before Jet 8 arrived and Monarch left, somewhere between the capacity offered in summer 2015/2016. Of course Veuling have all but withdrawn as well to the holiday hot spots.

The Easyjet rumor surfaces every now and again but always seems to have little substance, more likely is an increase from Ryanair. Ryanair were not able to advertise the usual extra flights/saving holidays bye bye Monarch fanfare this winter as they had just cancelled flights as there was on one to fly them. As this settles down and passes into history I would expect some increase for summer 2018.

Capacity will not reach 2017 levels but perhaps the yield per seat may be better for those that remain.

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Old 25th Oct 2017, 14:38
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As a very frequent user AGP-BHX losing Norwegian, Vueling and Monarch is quite a blow, add Vueling good BCN connections gone too, not looking good. I'm not aware of Monarch's yield but during last winter period the A321's were pretty much full all the time, including the rows of extra legroom seats. It looks like a few connecting flights with Brussels Airlines, Eurowings, Swiss etc. I always take extra legroom seats so the choice is bad, I've looked at some dummy bookings there are days without even one direct AGP-BHX direct service! I don't use Ryanair. A terrific reduction in choice.
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 15:47
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FQTL Steve....
have you seen prices for flights since the demise of Monarch ?
Looked at ALC & AGP for March next year prices have gone thru the roof, such a shame to lose Monarch as they offered good service/flights. Now they, Vueling, Norwegian etc have cut back it seems to be due to supply & demand RYR LS etc have now been able to charge more
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Old 25th Oct 2017, 19:47
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Originally Posted by Skipness One Echo View Post
They’re replacing them with A321Neos so not quite sure that is the thinking. TS also dropped EDI which was later picked up by AC Rouge.
Yes I am totally aware of that as well as TS previously dropping EDI which was picked up by AC Rouge but the point is that TS won't receive the first of those 12 leased A321LR's from AerCap until Spring 2019.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 07:46
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I agree with you re: Monarch, great service and really good flight times. I have a second home in North Wales and need time to get to the airport, so Monarch provided excellent flight times without having to stay over at the airport. I have looked at options, I think Vueling are still doing BCN this winter, and there is an option with Iberia vis MAD to AGP but I'll need to stay over the night before. I am really staggered at the reduction in seats it must mean leakage to other airports. Monarch a great loss to BHX, and the end probably of the long run of impressive growth. BHX-AGP needs 2x daily even in the winter.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 08:15
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I am really staggered at the reduction in seats it must mean leakage to other airports. Monarch a great loss to BHX, and the end probably of the long run of impressive growth. BHX-AGP needs 2x daily even in the winter.
But on the other hand ensured the carriers that remain are making good (proper) yields. It would have been low yields that did, at least in part for Monarch.

Sometimes enthusiasts are too quick to look for new services / increased capacity / higher passenger figures without considering the business consequences.

That said in the case of BHX/AGP it has been a bit of a case of famine to feast to famine. A happy medium (and you don't find many happy mediums!) would be preferable.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 09:15
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ATNotts I understand they need to make a proper yield, but as you say the reduction for this winter is far too severe and IMO is not serving the market requirements, why can't Jet2 do at least a daily BHX/AGP this winter? Monarch used A321 last winter and sometimes an additional A320 too, there are only 737's now?
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 10:11
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That's an easier one. The winter normally provides very poor yields for airlines and tour operators to the Med destinations, so anything that will raise yields during that period will make a big positive difference to balance sheets over 12 months.
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Old 26th Oct 2017, 10:11
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wizzair

With all these airlines ( Monarch aside) leaving the most well used route across the UK even from DSA they have Thomson and Flybe serving the destination.
Maybe the answer is that other growing loco. ' Wizzair, modern fleet and frequently buying new aircraft .
A lot more 321's on existing routes now ( DSA) plus , Wizz are opening a UK operation and at least one base.
They could easily do Alicante to BHX and Fit in another return trip from another UK Airport before one final BHX Run.
Plus they may start to offer new destinations as well.
After all your running out of Airlines .
It's been a bad year in the industry this year . The sad demise of Monarch has truly created a mess for many .
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From whichever side of the Brexit fence you sit (and possibly from your stated location you sit on neither) until HM Government makes it clear, with the EU, on exactly what position our commercial aviation industry will find itself on 30 March 2019, it's likely to be 2 more rocky years.
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