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Monarch aircraft fleet are not assets as they are all leased and therefore they will be returned to their lessors, Monarch don't own any slots so no assets there, eventually those slots will just be distributed to other airlines, routes are not assets either as any airline is able to pick them up themselves at no extra cost.
What assets did Monarch actually have for the creditors to sell off?
Although Monarch crew were obviously assets to the company they are not a financial asset which can be sold on by the creditors, as individuals they find themselves unemployed.
This whole saga is so sad and could and should off have been dealt with far sooner.
What assets did Monarch actually have for the creditors to sell off?
Although Monarch crew were obviously assets to the company they are not a financial asset which can be sold on by the creditors, as individuals they find themselves unemployed.
This whole saga is so sad and could and should off have been dealt with far sooner.
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I doubt that any of these routes will operate in the summer of 2018.
BHX will face a huge challenge maintaining passenger numbers next summer.
The Monarch base was 9 aircraft.
Jet 2 have increased by 2 for summer 2018 leaving a deficit of 7.
Also with the loss of the loss of Norwegian, Vuelling, Cobalt, United, the Emirates reduction and wider circumstances concerning the state of the economy, the pound and the security situation 2018 is not shaping up well
2017 will be the zenith passenger number wise for the next few years.
BHX will face a huge challenge maintaining passenger numbers next summer.
The Monarch base was 9 aircraft.
Jet 2 have increased by 2 for summer 2018 leaving a deficit of 7.
Also with the loss of the loss of Norwegian, Vuelling, Cobalt, United, the Emirates reduction and wider circumstances concerning the state of the economy, the pound and the security situation 2018 is not shaping up well
2017 will be the zenith passenger number wise for the next few years.
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Harry
Where did registrations come into this post. Are you seeing something I am not.
How am I not concerned for the future of the employees. Sad as the Monarch failure is with the uncertainty it has caused for the employees and customers (of which I am one) it has happened. The aviation industry is no different from many others where people have lost jobs and in the current economic climate will continue to do so.
Airports are businesses and employ a lot of people. It will not be just Monarch people that are affected but everyone from workers in retail units, to check in to ground staff.
The airport is a business and needs to protect its revenues and future growth prospects. This will be a challenge.
Where did registrations come into this post. Are you seeing something I am not.
How am I not concerned for the future of the employees. Sad as the Monarch failure is with the uncertainty it has caused for the employees and customers (of which I am one) it has happened. The aviation industry is no different from many others where people have lost jobs and in the current economic climate will continue to do so.
Airports are businesses and employ a lot of people. It will not be just Monarch people that are affected but everyone from workers in retail units, to check in to ground staff.
The airport is a business and needs to protect its revenues and future growth prospects. This will be a challenge.
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As the Monarch crew turned up for the fateful meeting with creditors knowing they had lost their livelyhoods! They could not access the car park to go to the meeting as BHX had killed everyone's passes despite the car park being paid for till end of oct already!! Nasty cheap scum sucking Airport to the end! Well done for helping your biggest customer! Rot in hell!!! I hope karma takes you out!!!!!!
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I think you'll find that check-in are ground staff!
The post was regarding BHX maintaining passenger numbers, who, other than spotters and enthusiasts, gives a
about passenger numbers, there was no concern shown whatsoever regarding the job security of staff etc
The post was regarding BHX maintaining passenger numbers, who, other than spotters and enthusiasts, gives a
about passenger numbers, there was no concern shown whatsoever regarding the job security of staff etc
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Harry, not every post on the subject needs to have a job security of staff footnote. Common sense should tell you that many people will be reliant on pax numbers not least the poor staff from monarch who will need at least one of the BHX airlines to go into some sort of expansion mode if they wish to remain in the industry.
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Most stupid comment of the week. With a drop in pax numbers comes less income, less staff, less overtime, tenents leave, more jobs are lost. The original poster said nothing insensitive or unreasonable.
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The staff directly, and some indirectly, employed by the failed airline are out of work, been there, done that, got the tee shirt.
Handling agents do not quote airlines and/or employ/pay their staff on specific passenger numbers, on load factors, they quote and employ/pay on aircraft types and/or seating capacities, whether an aircraft is 50% or 100% occupied the same staff are employed/paid, likewise air traffic controllers, firefighters, runway inspectors etc. are not employed/paid per passenger, it takes the same amount of these personnel regardless of any specific load factor.
So it is not about an airport bettering a number of passengers statistic better than the previous year(s), there might be fewer aircraft flying around the UK skies this week than there were last week but the UK population hasn't dropped in numbers to reflect that and soon things shall recover whether the replacement aircraft be flying from BHX, MAN, EMA or wherever.
Handling agents do not quote airlines and/or employ/pay their staff on specific passenger numbers, on load factors, they quote and employ/pay on aircraft types and/or seating capacities, whether an aircraft is 50% or 100% occupied the same staff are employed/paid, likewise air traffic controllers, firefighters, runway inspectors etc. are not employed/paid per passenger, it takes the same amount of these personnel regardless of any specific load factor.
So it is not about an airport bettering a number of passengers statistic better than the previous year(s), there might be fewer aircraft flying around the UK skies this week than there were last week but the UK population hasn't dropped in numbers to reflect that and soon things shall recover whether the replacement aircraft be flying from BHX, MAN, EMA or wherever.
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At last there is now an airport press release about Jet2 expansion, which mentions further increases for s18. So it looks like 7 or possibly 8 aircraft will now be based next summer
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...reased-demand/
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...reased-demand/
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You know Jet2 are a great set-up, finger on the pulse and in tune with the market place. In the face of such bad news its pleasing to see someone absolutely nailing it.
Their roll back to traditional package holidays has been a master stroke. The public are loving it, flights (inc cases), transfers, hotels with reps are proving the do-it-yourself of the last 10 years is wearing a little thin with holiday makers. They should charge a little more and offer free allocated seating and inflight meals and they are there.
Well done Jet2.
Their roll back to traditional package holidays has been a master stroke. The public are loving it, flights (inc cases), transfers, hotels with reps are proving the do-it-yourself of the last 10 years is wearing a little thin with holiday makers. They should charge a little more and offer free allocated seating and inflight meals and they are there.
Well done Jet2.
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They should charge a little more and offer free allocated seating and inflight meals and they are there.
Perhaps those employed by Swissport who looked after Monarch should now turn their attention to other carriers to ensure baggage is loaded and unloaded correctly, aircraft are met on arrival, passengers escorted to immigration, all the normal duties that ground staff do. Or are they planning a cull at the end of Oct?
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Swissport have axed a lot of staff along with other companies due to Monarchs demise! It's not just the airlines staff that suffer!!!!
The death of decent airlines and employment is upon us! The industry is no longer a decent career!
I wish everyone effected my best wishes for the future, I hope it's onwards and upwards from here.
The death of decent airlines and employment is upon us! The industry is no longer a decent career!
I wish everyone effected my best wishes for the future, I hope it's onwards and upwards from here.
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I know STN has been confirmed as self handling next summer as they will have at least 10 based units - not sure if BHX will be but makes sense however it would need that required manic number of 7 based aircraft to make it work financially for the company.
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United/Jet2/Monarch/Qatar
Firstly I would like to pass on my best wishes to all Monarch crew in their quest to get back in the air and just say it was a pleasure flying a few times from BHX to Venice, Rome, Skiathos and more recently Preveza.
Good to see Jet2 react in a speedy and dignified fashion in adding several flights even if it is to their benefit. Seven aircraft scheduled at times from February although I realise this might be end up as six once the schedules are sorted. Malaga is the only route at present which hasn't had too much added.
United
Gone now as of today and a water cannon salute to boot, which I am told is not unique but celebrating an airline pulling out which could annoy some of those affected by the loss of the route even if it was only a few local staff.
Final seat maps today show 148 in on UA27 with 14 business, 35 economy + and 99 economy and 134 out with 16 business (full) 30 economy plus and 88 economy.
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Interesting post by MV on the Bristol thread and I am wondering how much the Cardiff service will affect the BHX route, which is hardly producing stellar numbers although September might have been different with Emirates reducing to two flights a day.
Good to see Jet2 react in a speedy and dignified fashion in adding several flights even if it is to their benefit. Seven aircraft scheduled at times from February although I realise this might be end up as six once the schedules are sorted. Malaga is the only route at present which hasn't had too much added.
United
Gone now as of today and a water cannon salute to boot, which I am told is not unique but celebrating an airline pulling out which could annoy some of those affected by the loss of the route even if it was only a few local staff.
Final seat maps today show 148 in on UA27 with 14 business, 35 economy + and 99 economy and 134 out with 16 business (full) 30 economy plus and 88 economy.
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Interesting post by MV on the Bristol thread and I am wondering how much the Cardiff service will affect the BHX route, which is hardly producing stellar numbers although September might have been different with Emirates reducing to two flights a day.
Interesting post by MV on the Bristol thread and I am wondering how much the Cardiff service will affect the BHX route, which is hardly producing stellar numbers although September might have been different with Emirates reducing to two flights a day.
If the figures in UA's business class are that good why did they give up on BHX?
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Eight Jet2 aircraft to be based and new routes added
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...ingham-airport
https://www.birminghamairport.co.uk/...ingham-airport